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Thread: Some Pics Of My SR23VE Motor Before I Put It In My Blue 94 SER

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2008-10-17 04:18:26
#91
you would hope but again it doesnt make much more peak...why?

every stroke i inhale 10% more air. you can see that easily by my 200whp @ roughly 500rpm sooner than a 20ve. but to make more power you need more air. lucky for me the aem software showed me that.

the ve was designed as a 1.6 and every stock component reflects that. you just hit the ceiling faster the more displacement you have.

someone volunteered their ported n1 mani for me to test. when we get another one made we'll go to the dyno again.

so everyone knows ill show results good or bad...so far no one has a 230whp reciepe they are sharing
2008-10-17 05:18:49
#92
well im hoping to be close to that mark, we will see, we will play around with cam timing, starting out at +5-5 and see where we are at, we do have a little bit of an advantage, the head is slightly ported and so is the intake manifold and port matched to the head, so there is a slight difference right there. We will be using the n1 throttle body as well and see where we end up when done tuning with the calum realtime.
2008-10-17 09:47:05
#93
Originally Posted by donttazmebro
you would hope but again it doesnt make much more peak...why?

every stroke i inhale 10% more air. you can see that easily by my 200whp @ roughly 500rpm sooner than a 20ve. but to make more power you need more air. lucky for me the aem software showed me that.

the ve was designed as a 1.6 and every stock component reflects that. you just hit the ceiling faster the more displacement you have.

someone volunteered their ported n1 mani for me to test. when we get another one made we'll go to the dyno again.

so everyone knows ill show results good or bad...so far no one has a 230whp reciepe they are sharing


So the N1 intake manifold on the car right now is unported?
2008-10-17 13:04:52
#94
Originally Posted by Andreas
Long time to go. I am not here to prove anything but teach people from my positves or negatives.

I am in no rush, as I have to meet my goals for saving for my retiremet, I go as fast as my money allows me to. So if I make alot of money I go faster if things are slow I go slower. The number one goal is to save. Car projects are far down my list thats why they take so long with me.
I feel that cams will be the limiting facter in this.

The bigger the motor the more lift in percentage to duration is needed. As of right now our top cam is based around a 1.6L motor. The cam is not properly designed around a 2L piston speed and also the dwell times at the bottom and top of the stroke.

When building a motor sometimes you have to look at the competetion. That being Honda and the K20 and K24 motor. These engines being better in head flow and also VTEC design. Anyway the K20 cams are more built with tons of lift than long duration. These are the things at the end of the day that will kill us. CAMS.

We cant have a conversation about cams without people being offended. what we need is people giving thoughts on cams and how they work verses I dont like you cam design and give no real reason why as to their reasonings.


^Same for me in the bold black - Anyway I hope this car makes a lot of power. All I hear about lately is the K20 head on K24 bottom end.
2008-10-17 13:58:06
#95
Andreas, How much do sets of custom grinds franklins cost you?


If you beleive the camshaft specs will limit you, then why not go out and get that custom grind.


You know your maths, you know your motor. So do some dynmaic compression calcs.
Im assuming you know what cfm is need to flow to make the target HP you want, so calculate in stroke speeds, RPM and then derive your cam from there.

Cant wait to see this in action, will be a good test to see what real velocity the 20V head pulls, bigger displacement creates a lot more vacuum - IMO your inlet may be the restriction, not for CFM flow abilities, but rather cylinder filling velocity. Get it right in the V.E department and you could be pulling some big numbers.
2008-10-17 14:14:51
#96
As far as cams go, I have no direction yet. Right now I like N1s but they are not suited for a large motor in my opinion. I know what I want so I am not spending my money until I see it.

As far as intake manifolds go I got 3 of them to test.

I am very happy with my header (which I dont think will be best for a 2.3L ) and Turbofreaks header ( which I feel will be best for the 2.3L ) so there is no need to look into anything else, well Maybe the 20V header.
2008-10-17 15:12:22
#97
Originally Posted by Andreas

I am in no rush, as I have to meet my goals for saving for my retirement, I go as fast as my money allows me to. So if I make a lot of money I go faster if things are slow I go slower. The number one goal is to save. Car projects are far down my list that's why they take so long with me.


That is exactly how I am, take my sweet time. As parts come in, I will put them on.

Brent
2008-10-17 15:15:15
#98
Originally Posted by coach
That is exactly how I am, take my sweet time. As parts come in, I will put them on.

Brent


Same here.
2008-10-17 15:16:43
#99
Originally Posted by Andreas
So the N1 intake manifold on the car right now is unported?


it's all relative
Yes it is ported but from what im seeing now the runners need to be ported to the point of needing rewelding.

I also want to understand if the head ports are large enough to flow the air needed. No matter how much bigger i make the intake manifold if the head has to come off then that's more down time.
2008-10-17 23:45:42
#100
Great thread.

Is it time to try some individual throttlebodies?
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