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Thread: 2.3L VE Motors Build For Cheap With Mazworx Headgasket

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2008-08-07 12:00:41
#11
Originally Posted by Clint
And if you're pulling the engine apart to sleeve it anyway, you may as well do a tiny bit more work & fit an 8 cw... or a 91mm crank

Dre... I have a SR22DE engine with the Tomei high-compression NA kit. Have you had much experience with these & which is easier, modify the DE engine to fit the VE head or Modify a VE engine to take the Tomei crank?

I've got a spare complete VE head & a spare complete VE engine so there's a plethora of parts to build a stroker VE with.



It is very easy to modify the VE block to fit the Tomei crank. 1 hours work of you and a dremel and it is done. If you have the 2.2L DE you can use it as a template to do the block work.

If you do decide to build you a stroker VE motor, please sleeve the block and put in the bigger pistons. Please do not forget to more the pin height up 2.75mm. 2.5 mm will be the diffrence in the crank throw and the .25mm or ( 10 thousands ) will be the amount that they take off the top of the block to make it flat after sleeving it.

If I remeber correctly, the Tomei setup is 87mm piston and 91mm crank = 2.164L or 87.5mm piston and 91mm crank = 2.188 which are both small 2.2L motor. You put in 90mm pistons you got a 2.313L which is a large 2.3L motor.
2008-08-07 12:12:46
#12
Hey Clint maybe just keep the 2.2L DE motor and just bulid an over bore VE motor. Seems to me to be an easier way to go. Revs like a 2L motor but moves 2.3L amount of air with a nice and safe 9000 RPM rev zone. Should be great with the Kelford cams.


92mm piston x 86mm crank = 2.287 L

Easy on the pocket
Sleeve block $1000
Pistons $650
Mazworz gasket $250
miselaneous parts $250
2008-08-07 14:27:32
#13
I would love to do this Miko. But all this would be + the cost of the motor correct? Im having trouble saving up money. Its like I have a hole in my piggy bank or something.
2008-08-07 16:58:03
#14
Originally Posted by Andreas
I got a Mazworx headgasket and it is the nicest headgasket I have ever seen. It is the only headgasket out there that can fit every form of SR20 motor. This headgasket is big enough to fit a 92mm piston.

2.3L VE motor done for cheap. 92mm piston with 86mm crank = 2.287

VE block sleeved for $1000
92mm 12 to 1 compression Pistons for $650
Mazwork VE headgasket $250
stock rods = $0
new bearings $200


This motor is an over square motor. Will rev just like a standard SR motor. So with a head with valve springs and retainers, you will be able to rev to 9000 RPMs with no problem. Figure in some Kelford cams and this large bore motor should make for some fun.

Anyway just putting out some food for thought.




This looks great for a DD, hmm I will look into this. Get Kelford cams and Freak headers. Go a step farther with ITBS and and Calum. Good stuff Dre.
2008-08-07 17:11:23
#15
Originally Posted by daxx
This looks great for a DD, hmm I will look into this. Get Kelford cams and Freak headers. Go a step farther with ITBS and and Calum. Good stuff Dre.



I dont think the Calum ECU will work with a true open ITB setup. You will need to go stand alone. Also you will want to get every last bit of tuning from 8000-9000 RPMs which can not be done on a standard Nissan ECU.


I run the 20V head which they dont make better springs and retainers for at the moment. Now these springs in the 20V are better than standard VE springs but I dont feel they are good enough to rev up to 9000 plus RPMs with Kelford cams. I am using the 91mm Tomei crank and keeping my RPM limit to 8250. Which should alow me to run the Kelford cams, and also a larger crank motor like mine should make alot of torque to make up for my lack or higher RPM potential.

The 94-96 G20T gear box I also think will be a perect match for my motor as at 8250 RPMs in 3rd gear I will be able to do 112 MPH. I figure this is the MPH I will get going through the 1/4 mile. So I will be able to do the 1/4 mile in 3 gears. Should be fun.
2008-08-07 17:17:07
#16
Just musing here but wouldn't it be better for the non-bored guys to go with a head gasket that actually matches the bore size they have instead of leaving what would seem to be an undesired open area between the head and the block?
2008-08-07 17:29:10
#17
Originally Posted by Andreas
I dont think the Calum ECU will work with a true open ITB setup. You will need to go stand alone. Also you will want to get every last bit of tuning from 8000-9000 RPMs which can not be done on a standard Nissan ECU.


I run the 20V head which they dont make better springs and retainers for at the moment. Now these springs in the 20V are better than standard VE springs but I dont feel they are good enough to rev up to 9000 plus RPMs with Kelford cams. I am using the 91mm Tomei crank and keeping my RPM limit to 8250. Which should alow me to run the Kelford cams, and also a larger crank motor like mine should make alot of torque to make up for my lack or higher RPM potential.

The 94-96 G20T gear box I also think will be a perect match for my motor as at 8250 RPMs in 3rd gear I will be able to do 112 MPH. I figure this is the MPH I will get going through the 1/4 mile. So I will be able to do the 1/4 mile in 3 gears. Should be fun.



Did not think of that, but if going standalone the best priced one I have seem with good features is the Stinger EMS that Manny and Lance used I believe.

This truly is a good all motor setup with ready available parts except if you need to go ITBs.I think I may have another VE project after my turbo...I had thoughts but did not really look into it.


With the 20V head I am pretty sure you can find a cross reference from another make. When I was getting my head done the head guy had some extra springs from a Ford and noticed that the VE springs were similar....and it was. Food for thought...
2008-08-07 17:33:34
#18
Originally Posted by Andreas
I dont think the Calum ECU will work with a true open ITB setup. You will need to go stand alone. Also you will want to get every last bit of tuning from 8000-9000 RPMs which can not be done on a standard Nissan ECU.


X2. you have to figure out a way to tune the car without a MAF. remember there would be no intake or plenum. everything would be based off throttle position/load.
2008-08-07 17:36:44
#19
Originally Posted by BenFenner
Just musing here but wouldn't it be better for the non-bored guys to go with a head gasket that actually matches the bore size they have instead of leaving what would seem to be an undesired open area between the head and the block?


You are right but this thread is for the guys who have or will bore their motors.

If you are at stock bore this gasket is not for you just use a stock VE headgasket from Greg V.
2008-08-07 18:38:29
#20
Thanks for clearing up the cob webs in my head Andreas.
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