Thread: ve vs de power delivery

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70mph is under 4k rpm...i know because im running one

the previous owner of my car ran a stock VE and beat it. i have a mild set up. stock ve's can only go so far and also lack of tuning running against DE's with some work. can't really complain. i'd be happy if i had a stock ve and a modded DE barely beat me. stock for stock obviously no comparison.

for one, learn to race. you can hear he was at way too low of an RPM. VE's need to be on the engage ment if not right before it to run right. also looked like it was dieing top end even though it was catching up. and camera does suck.

I pretty much just read this whole thread and I think this is a good thread. I think driving and tuning or two of the main focus points here. It's a VE in a B13 vs a DE in a B13. I would assume that the weight of the cars would be about the same. With that being said, a fully bolted/built DE vs a stock VE shouldn't be night and day in my opinion. I know there is more to factor in. I'm just using this as my personal example.



^That would be BenFenner and this thread is not useless



^How do you figure? Even Mike K. wasn't that impressed with the VE over the DE when he first tested it out. If I'm wrong on this statement, somebody correct me now.



^owned him..........on the come back post



^I agree with you until the night and day comment. I don't think it would be that big of a difference. Bold blue - Would be a good run. Night and Day? I don't think so.




^Good post + rep




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^I can't say anything against your setup Louis. I saw your car in person. Your setup is nice. So if I've said anything out of line, put me in my place.



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I guess its initially a more subtle difference than, say a DET vs a DE. But after you get used to the exhaust cam kicking in, it starts to feel like a night and day difference.

Plus my VE never lets up right until my tach says 8k rpm. It feels like it could go more. The DE tends to lose power right before its own redline.

My setup is basic..I/H and 2.5 exhaust. But its also optimal, nice VE-specific tune, VE-specific exhaust ports.

But I will go back and say any kind of comparison on the street is kind of weak and misleading. And that video isn't worth much debate.

I will say that my Rallycross DE is as fun as hell, and I'm sporting a blown OEM suspension on it. So yeah, power is not everything!

Thanks, that sounds a lot better.






I agree that at first it doesn't feel like that big of a difference, until you go without it. A friend of mine was amazed at the difference between the two on his first ride last night. Consequently I drove his DE last night and you can just feel that it's not making the same power, while minimal in the low end, it really stands out up top. He's running a basic setup with a HS gen4, WAI, and a 2.5in exhaust no cat, which gives him the nudge in the mods category.

I would like to see if I can get another local DE guy to do a side by side pull from 2nd to 4th (shutting down as you hit 4th). My VE is probably one of the lower performers, as such it should be a decent comparisson against a Bolt on DE.

I think in the end, if your goals are a modest N/A 170whp, there is really no appeal to the VE, sure it's a great setup, but a cam'd DE is no slouch and can be just as rewarding at those power levels. Not to mention you can make that much on the DE with less money invested. That being said, the VVL is addicting, even at ~170whp, and the potential for 200whp+ is always tempting.

I guess I would be a good person to chime in here. I have had a DE setup about everyway possible. With just about every cam combination and I will say. A DE full bolted DOES NOT COMPARE to a VE with a header and exhaust. I dont care what you tune or what you do! The only people that argue this are people that havent had side by side comparisons. Just for a good comparison my buddy has a 35 shot on his s4d DE. We race and I beat him by like a car. I think it was Dre that I talked to that told me he beat a fully bolted de with a 75 shot.

The DE is old and a great motor. The VE is better all around. Power, gas mileage, price.
A fully bolted DE will cost you more than a VE. The VE will make more power with less time. There is nothing to prove with the DE motor.

^^^ Well said... I have my S3 DE in the 91 and it's not too shabby with my basic mods. On the other hand the VE w/N1s and full bolt ons runs like a raped ape to 8K with a 2.5" mandrel exhaust. Time to go to a 3" and try to find a quiet muffler so the cops don't get upset when they hear me drive by. 200whp and pass AZ emissions while running high 13s with full interior and AC will work for me. The daily 91 has great midrange but peters out at around 7K with the S3s. It's still a very fun car to drive but IMHO the VE has much more potential for power under the curve and high end. I hardly engage VVL when I drive the 94 because of the available abundance of torque at 2.5 to 5k which makes it so easy to drive.

^^^ My fried you are 100% right. I also have a 94 SER with the VE. Post some pics up of yours what color is it?

Make another thread if your gonna ask questions like that. Stay on topic.