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Thread: Clutchmasters FX500 install; UPDATE w/ videos on starting problem

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2014-04-03 04:25:02
#31
Originally Posted by ny5speed
I think the ACT setup was what makes people think that this is too much clutch for a lower powered or daily driven car. The ACT chattered badly, had very heavy pedal effort which helped speed along clutch cable failure, and, worst of all, made the car less enjoyable to drive.


DING DING!! Winner. Same shit on my side. When I had the ACT setup (JGY/ACT PP and ACT disc) it chattered and chirped like a bloody cricket orgy. The pedal effort sucked. I got used to it, but you should of seen when I let a few (and only few very trusted car people like my bro who runs his 300whp+ MR2 etc.) to try drive it. He was like "WTF is up with this pedal this is ridiculous." I didn't notice it anymore. everyone stalled it too on their first, second, sometimes 4th tries to get it going from a stop though (that's partially due to the Fidanza flywheel and lightweight pulleys im sure)
Last edited by Storm88000 on 2014-04-03 at 04-26-33.
2014-04-03 04:29:37
#32
Throwing nitrous at a car will not ruin the motor. It's all on the quality of the install. Same goes with any set up be it boost or juice.
2014-04-03 05:15:29
#33
Originally Posted by SE-Rican
It's all on the quality of the install. Same goes with any set up be it boost or juice.


My friend with a Skyline who's seen and done it all said "I will beat your ass if you even mention nitrous to me again for this motorr" haha


Like I said its prob just my personal experiences of people I've known.
2014-04-03 06:24:01
#34
Originally Posted by Storm88000
Originally Posted by SE-Rican
It's all on the quality of the install. Same goes with any set up be it boost or juice.


My friend with a Skyline who's seen and done it all said "I will beat your ass if you even mention nitrous to me again for this motorr" haha


Like I said its prob just my personal experiences of people I've known.


I ran 100-125 shot of nitrous through my 10:1 DE for several years and the car never skipped a beat and this was with going through 2 bottles a week. It was also my DD for a majority of that time. I later sold the nitrous set up and turbocharged that same motor.

Again it's all on the install and how the motor is tuned.
2014-04-03 06:52:33
#35
WOW! That is awesome. NOS and Boost on the same motor. I have questions now if you don't mind:

1) First which made more power, the motor at it's peak boost, or when you had the full 125shot going?

2) Which would have/did run a better 1/4 mile time?

3) Did you have trouble finding fill up locations for your bottle?

4) What octane fuel did you run for either? Same? Change?

5) What was an approx. cost for the nitrous setup? Turbo setup? (Ballpark ranges)

6) If you could do it again, would you have just gone with one or the other and skipped one?
2014-04-03 08:56:44
#36
Originally Posted by Storm88000
WOW! That is awesome. NOS and Boost on the same motor. I have questions now if you don't mind:

1) First which made more power, the motor at it's peak boost, or when you had the full 125shot going?

2) Which would have/did run a better 1/4 mile time?

3) Did you have trouble finding fill up locations for your bottle?

4) What octane fuel did you run for either? Same? Change?

5) What was an approx. cost for the nitrous setup? Turbo setup? (Ballpark ranges)

6) If you could do it again, would you have just gone with one or the other and skipped one?


Well I am on break at work so I will answer all your questions LOL

1. The car made roughly 100 whp more on boost than on nitrous. Funny thing is the TQ was about the same 300tq Nitrous car usually make more TQ than WHP
2. I will say the nitrous car may have had the upper hand but, the turbo car had a lot more MPH
3. Most shops in our area filled bottles
4. 93 octane on the nitrous car and C16 on the turbo car when at high boost
5. My nitrous set up (kit and ECU) was right around $1200 and the boost set up (the one at the time) $2500
6. At the time I prefered and liked the nitrous car more. It was very underestimated and hurt a lot of feelings. (Lots of grudge racing at the time)

In the position I am in now with different goals in mind I went boost this time around.
2014-04-03 09:19:02
#37
Originally Posted by SE-Rican
Originally Posted by Storm88000
WOW! That is awesome. NOS and Boost on the same motor. I have questions now if you don't mind:

1) First which made more power, the motor at it's peak boost, or when you had the full 125shot going?

2) Which would have/did run a better 1/4 mile time?

3) Did you have trouble finding fill up locations for your bottle?

4) What octane fuel did you run for either? Same? Change?

5) What was an approx. cost for the nitrous setup? Turbo setup? (Ballpark ranges)

6) If you could do it again, would you have just gone with one or the other and skipped one?


Well I am on break at work so I will answer all your questions LOL

1. The car made roughly 100 whp more on boost than on nitrous. Funny thing is the TQ was about the same 300tq Nitrous car usually make more TQ than WHP
2. I will say the nitrous car may have had the upper hand but, the turbo car had a lot more MPH
3. Most shops in our area filled bottles
4. 93 octane on the nitrous car and C16 on the turbo car when at high boost
5. My nitrous set up (kit and ECU) was right around $1200 and the boost set up (the one at the time) $2500
6. At the time I prefered and liked the nitrous car more. It was very underestimated and hurt a lot of feelings. (Lots of grudge racing at the time)

In the position I am in now with different goals in mind I went boost this time around.



Thanks for your replies. I haven't run across someone who has juiced AND boosted the same motor. That's like a case study right there. I'm sure others would have questions for you as well. One other question if you don't mind, for your nitrous setup, did you go with JWT and I'm assuming a wet setup?

Oh and I lied. Where do you get C16?
2014-04-03 10:28:22
#38
I ran a JWT 100 shot computer. It was a dry set up. The extra fuel was compensated with bigger injectors. In my case 370cc in jectors.

As for C16 most peformance shops carry it if not they know where to get it.
2014-04-03 12:08:17
#39
Originally Posted by ny5speed
Originally Posted by Kyle
Horsepower cannot break a clutch because horsepower is defined as work over time.

Torque can, along with a multitude of other human related events.

@ny5speed can confirm an FX500 in a "lowly, under-powered VVL N/A" engine.


Both of my lowly, underpowered, NA VVLs are running fx500s. The reasons I will continue to recommend this clutch to anyone who'll listen are basically:

Its a clutch that will take anything that you're likely to throw at it at any power level that most of us are likely to be messing around with.

CM uses a slightly different fulcrum point on the pressure plate to provide excellent clamping force while maintaining a stock-like pedal effort (actually lighter than the JWT PP I took out). This is in stark contrast to the ACT Extreme PP and six puck unsprung setup that I had in the b13 many moons ago. I think the ACT setup was what makes people think that this is too much clutch for a lower powered or daily driven car. The ACT chattered badly, had very heavy pedal effort which helped speed along clutch cable failure, and, worst of all, made the car less enjoyable to drive. The FX500 does not behave this way.

Regardless of actual TQ load, I do not like sprung disks in applications that that will constantly see high rpm engagement.

Great clutch, great feel, reasonable price, ready to be abused for years to come.


now... the issue of overclutching could be argued for turbo cars or other high tq setups running b13/b14 trannies with that glass third gear. I that case you might want a lightert clutch that will slip some instead of just shearing teeth off... but that is another issue.


I have an ACT HD pressure plate on my now stock P11 and even with the hydo pedal that bitch sucks. This may be shapping my idea of the fx500. You all seem to atest to them so they might not be that aggresive as I though.

@Kyle if he's not going boost than he just isnt. He could run a twin disk for all I care.
2014-04-03 13:59:47
#40
Lol I miss spoke turns out I'm running the full metal paddle disk with heavier PP that's why I'm getting chatter. Nothing wrong with running a high hp clutch on a lower hp motor, we dont have crank walk issues like other brands. I have been running a 600hp clutch on a 200hp motor and it's great.
Last edited by se200 on 2014-04-03 at 14-53-04.
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