Thread: SR20VE vs. K20A

Yeah I bet that new built K24 motor cost the dude just as much as what Jamie could put together a K24.

BTW, see how the first k20 build dropped a valve (head broke off). That is a notorious issue with all k20/k24 heads with their 2 piece valves. Same issue F20/F22's have. So if your going to build one I would highly look at replacing all the valves.

Ive seen personally 2 k's break and drop valves, and 3 f20's personally break the head off the valves and destroy the motors. Reliable pffff. Last I checked. Ve's dont have that problem

To me the above car is a real world comparison of a K24 vs SR24.

Not talking chassis or gearing.

Making the change to E85 along with a larger cam. 320-330whp I believe is quite
Easy at 12.5:1 with the right parts.

Adding up the totals, he is probrably dead on with where I am with this build.

Regardless of platform, NA is not cheap.

Must be nice. I'm just hoping to break 230whp.

lol, no big build is cheap, turbo or n/a. Its just the cost of doing things big.

go watch green pros car.

with a piston and cam, head work and itbs he did 11.3. full fucking interior, leather seats iirc. no sleeve, stock crank.

i dont car about what ever local car u talking about. obviously it wasnt running like it should or you wouldnt have stood a chance.

were discussing the best of the best.

theres k cars running times you couldnt touch with another 15k into your car.

dont come out your face, i still remember your dweeby self begging me to get info and spec from junior ... lol. and i did happily.

just cause i dont wanna nut swing on a full blown race motor that only runs mid 11s at best im a hater cause i dont wanna break the mold lol.

remember i tried this a long time ago, did the high comp before anyone else along with the v3 cams. it didnt work out, still if it would have i still wouldnt have been running k times or making k power. i recently bought a 2.3 for the so called sr20 guru sr20-gtir and it ran like crap, tuned and all. so now my views have changed.

do as you please, i wish u guys the best, just be respectfull when i say the k is a better motor, im not bashing you per say, just the 2.3/2.4. it has worked for what 3 guys out of our community. its never gonna be common place, just face the facts. you lucked out and your motor has stayed together, more power to ya !

you always feel the need to say ohh i beat this and i beat that. ive walked z06's and new coyote 5.0 liter stangs on slicks, porsche 911 gt3's, vipers, cobras you name it, gixxer 750s and rolled out with 1000cc tuned street bikes.

theres always gonna be some one faster. and that some one is the k.

stratton.

i know, ve's swallow tb screws, rod knock, blow oil pumps, cracked cases, blown 3rd gears and 5th gear pop out.

unfortuneatly, nothing in this sport is bulletproof.

this is where i have to laugh. ive spent alot of time in built honda's, the beatings they take are unbeliavable. granted a unsleeved sr20 can take a real beating, but i wouldnt say they are as tuff as honda's.

the have stock k's and f's making 600whp reliably. granted there have been a few strock sr20's that have made some super impressive numbers, but they didnt last very long. a few months at best.

stratton.

With what set up exactly?

So I called up Jim Wolfe today to inquire about their VE cams. They said no ETA yet. I already have N1's and springs so unless they yield a large gain I'll probably pass on them. I already have the G-spec WP pulley so far will be installing sunday. I'd like to pull 220 @ wheels. Got about 15 to go.

Again, Im not doubting the k20 and f20/f22 are great motors. There is a lot of things I like about them. Real Street Performance just tore apart their stock f20 motor that they have been running for almost 2 years at 700whp pulling high 9's consistent in a full weight s2k, pulling wheelies on the launches. Finally lifted the head. Internals looked great. Again with good tuning its impressive what they can do stock untouched. Same can be said about a VE motor. It wont make 700whp though on stock internals. The head will lift well before that. JP found that out quick.

The K and F have much larger head bolts factory. Forged bottom end stock using rod bolts instead of studs. Better oil pump chain driven not directly on the crank like the old b series and our motors. Alot better main girdle.

The fact is that its easy to just go grab some off the shelf parts and build a 300whp k series. No struggle. Anyone with the skills and knowledge of how to put a motor together can do it and access to a decent machine shop.

The fact that the 2.4 ve's are sticking this close to a similarly modded k24 is impressive and done by the r&d that people on this forum have done. That to me is impressive. Pushing the envelope to make serious power and be competitive and take out some of the Honda competition.

If you cant agree with that aspect then well I feel bad for ya. It really is a downplay of all these guys' hard work in doing what they are doing with the VE so that one day 300whp will come as easy as grabbing off the shelf parts or hitting up the people making the parts for us.

So yes, the VE isnt as great as the K motor and probably never will be but these guys can sure give it a try and be different and unique instead of the same old same old out there running the same numbers over and over. The all motor competitions ive seen get kinda boring watching Drag Cartel built motors run almost the same time run after run, 4-5 cars running all within a tenth. Makes for good competition but seeing only hondas there gets old. Seeing the same old setups over and over gets old.

I am just being an ass. My current motor should have no issue knocking on 270whp if not 280whp's door once all is said and done. Once we get every bit out of it all motor, smack will come into play. The car runs/starts/idles like a regular stock sleeve SR. Coolant levels are solid as can be along with oil. If the motor is properly sleeved, you should have no issues at all.