yeah but we got the whole head with the cams, jwt cam gears, oil line kit and everything so we figured we would just try it out and see what we can make with these for now. We didnt get them new, true because we did want to get the stage 4's because they were meant for high compression bigger displacement builds like this. So yeah we will probably lack a little because of the cams, but now kelford has what appears to be a pretty sick cam for the ve's. So were debating on what to go with. Any advice on that would be helpful for future reference.