Thread: Pito's 90x86 All Motor New numbers!!

im think they tried n it didnt work out.... they just kept it on the low

^ im sure they did, and they just couldnt make it happen and they gave up. clearly it can be done.

theres only 2 cams that put in work, the n1's and the kelfords. theres alot left on the table as far as cams go. it is what it is.

stratton.

its called old car and cheap owners. All that money spent on R&D to give 20 people what they want doesn't make sense. If it were a motor still been made and in a production car maybe it would have taken off. If any R&D happens it will be from a few people who prob will not say anything lol.

Pretty sure the mazwork s15 started off running N1s but pretty sure it runs Kelfords monster turbo cams

I dont care what you say about the ve heads lift limitation. I already know that the K series can accomidate a much larger lift cam. However if you have looked at as many flow charts as ive seen you will notice one thing. Once you get past a certain point in the lift and from what ive seen just a hair over 12mm lift there is not much gain on head flow by having the lift any more than that. Ive seen lift pushed to 13mm and between 12 and 13mm there was maybe a 5 cfm difference. So I doubt that is it.

I think the majority of the issue comes from people not really getting the heads worked over to accomidate the large cam again maybe because most are too cheap to spend the money on good port and head work. A big cam will only get you soo far anyways.

But if you look at the Drag cartel cams for the k series I believe their lift is still in the 13mm range and hell the kelford massive turbo cams I believe are in the 13mm range as well (correct me if im wrong)

Id like to see how cory's car does with the new headwork and his kelfords. Maybe thats all the cams needed is the proper headwork to match because the head will only flow soo much stock.

Guess we will see.

Are you kidding!!! Drag Cartel Race Cams are 14-15mm of lift on the intake and 13-14mm on the exhaust.. there is no such cam available for the SR20VE so there will be a certain point were you can port a SR20VE head that can flow more pass 12mm of lift but there its no cam available to take advantage of that... 184-C advertised lift on the intake it just .5mm more than N1 cam so in that part there is not much difference I can see the 184-C making more midrange power because of the bigger small lobes but dont know... My friends here tested the 184-C with no luck making less power after cam activation than N1 so they quit testing...

I've also found it hard to make more power then n1 on the 2.0. Also we are limited to 13mm or so on the lift by the geometry of our rockers and suck. If we get a few people and have some roller rockers made along with a custom grind, then were talking..

Other key thing would be send 3-4 heads off to someone like 4 piston or endyne or rlz and have them do some cutting to the heads and get a nice cnc race port configured. If we could get a little group together and share the cost I think it would bring big things. .

Yeah thats a key advantage for the honda guys. Very cheap (relatively speaking) extensive proven headwork that can be done quickly using CNC porting. Definitely need to get those companies involved with the VE head and if there is enough intrest, once the map for the port work is layed out and configured into the CNC then the cost should go down and shouldnt be any more expensive than the Honda guys. But yes, there is going to be initial cost work.

Ive said that before about getting custom roller rockers made that are also have adjustable valve lash on the rocker like the honda guys.

Again money, but if your looking to go serious power with the VE you really have no other choice

There should be a cam that takes the SR20VE to the limits in term of lift!! And some more duration than N1 and less than 184-C and 20V low lobes to keep the nice Idle... Jejejejeje the best of both worlds !! JUST DREAMING!!! ....