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Thread: 236WHP & 165Torque Stock Bottom End

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2011-03-24 03:05:54
#171
Dam ralfy all this time. Finaly paid off cant wait till we get our hands on a 2.2 or 2.4 the underdogs strike again. I miself am around these guys 24/7 and that motor is stock. Real hard to belive i know. We kind of the guys that do things our way. Dont really follow the forum. So we created our own recepi for 236whp time to stop following the 217whp recepi and contact sr20venosfreak for parts and custom headers and intakes manis. Our custom 4to1 coming soon lets see how that comes out.
2011-03-24 03:23:43
#172
Originally Posted by sr20ve_n/a
Dam ralfy all this time. Finaly paid off cant wait till we get our hands on a 2.2 or 2.4 the underdogs strike again. I miself am around these guys 24/7 and that motor is stock. Real hard to belive i know. We kind of the guys that do things our way. Dont really follow the forum. So we created our own recepi for 236whp time to stop following the 217whp recepi and contact sr20venosfreak for parts and custom headers and intakes manis. Our custom 4to1 coming soon lets see how that comes out.


Sure...
2011-03-24 03:38:49
#173
^ same thing i was thinking...

stratton.
2011-03-24 03:56:22
#174
Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DET
^I thought they were under a redesign? #shrug.


ill pm you so i dont cloud the thread
2011-03-24 04:06:32
#175
Originally Posted by STRATTON
^ same thing i was thinking...

stratton.


What u thinking
2011-03-24 04:09:25
#176
Originally Posted by ezspoolin
Who cares what a dyno reads anyways? If it's slow down a track high hp numbers don't mean shit.

I'd rather have a 400 hp 11 sec car than 1200 hp 12 sec car.

In other news, what size trumpets did you use in that im?


Google rossmachine.I cant remember what size they are.I know they are the oval ones.
2011-03-24 04:17:12
#177
Originally Posted by 5speed
I have to give SR20GTi-R credit for being upfront about the possible calibration problem with this particular dyno.

Early on, I had my doubt about the #s coming from the big bore builds and this 2.0 engine. I have no problem with the hp power figures, but it was the peak torque figures that raised a red flag for me. Like others have mention, to make high hp all you have to do is to maintain the torque at a higher rpm, but peak torque is a measure equivalent to volumetric efficiency. To put it into to perspective lets look at some high performance engines.

The highest torque per liter for a production car is from the new Ferrari 458 Italia at 89 ft-lbs/liter or 400 ft-lbs/4.499 cc.

Racing engines:

2006 F1 2.4 liter, 214 ft-lbs peak torque= 89 ft-lbs/liter
2006 Nascar 5.87 liter, 520 ft-lbs peak torque= 88.5 ft-lb/liter
Prostock 95 ft-lb/liter

As you can see, the Prostock engine is the king of NA engines excluding Diesel and Rotary.

Remember, these figures are at the crank.

Now lets look at the big bore VE making 234ft-lbs at the wheel, 234 ft-lbs/ 2.4 liter = 97.5 ft-lbs/ liter, that figure would shame all the all out racing engines. This is where I have my doubts.

In order for a NA 2.0 VE to make the same 97.5 ft-lbs/liter, it would have to make a peak torque of 195 ft-lbs at wheel, not possible.

Other than the dyno dynamic being off, I think you guys are doing a great job.


Very good read.But however.Much props to Jamie.The mans puts in alot of work.I see him running high 10s.He should take that motor and put it in a 2 door stripped untill it cant be stripped no more.Get the dam thing as light as you can Jamie.And lets take it for a ride at the track down my way.
2011-03-24 04:30:31
#178
Originally Posted by Re-spect
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how quick can bj's get them made now they've done some? and any ideas on rough cost?


about 900



sure, soon just gotta change the clutch and waterlines, but the weather is killing us.[/QUOTE]

Good lookin out.Im hating this cold as weather too.
2011-03-24 06:12:48
#179
that´s a monster VE :P
When are you going to put it at the track ..?
2011-03-24 06:42:46
#180
I find it a little amusing when people are saying the trap speed at the end of the quarter mile is a better measurement of hp than a dyno. I would say they are both flawed, and the trap speed mph is even more so.

And here’s why, the top speed at the end of the quarter is affected by even more variables than the typical dyno. First, your top speed will be affected by traction, whether the car is on street tire or slick, track surface temperature, and track surface prep, whether it’s greasy, grippy, sandy. You also have to consider the track condition such as air temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, elevation of the track, and wind condition, whether it’s a 10mph head wind or tail wind. If you didn’t have enough variables to think about, you have to also factor in the weight of the car. At least the dyno has a weather station and correction factor to take out some of these variables.

Let take an example car with 200hp and run it on different tracks. One track is in LA at sea level and in the winter, and the second track is in Denver in the middle of summer.

Will the top speed be different between the two tracks?

The answer, Hell Yes. Any racer will tell you they run different top speed depending on the condition of the track.

So why are we trying to compare top speed from different cars from different part of the world at different time?

That’s why I like dyno days. All the cars at the same place and time.
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