Thread: VE with stock cams= good daily

Most times I think this...then I think fully built 2.3 liter...




Which means I could just leave my 2.5" exhaust (SSAC, OEM, Magnaflow res, Vibrant muff), which I consider loud enough. Any louder would annoy me. Right now it growls just right under serious acceleration, and is totally reasonable and flys under the radar when I am just cruising.

You sir have expressed that 3" is quite loud for a DD on a number of occassions.


Daily driver here...that will occasionally see road-course duty.


Well...if I did not go 2.3 liter with all the bells and whistles ($$$), I'd have a lot more money to to other things to the Classic.


I get all excited when I see Cory making crazy NA power. But then again, I never (street or) 1/4 mile race. Hell, I like the power my bolt-on DE makes (with stock cams), it's certainly enough power to get me in trouble real quick on the street, and my driving skills are so weak-sauce on a road course, that the car is still much (much) more capable than I am as the driver. Nor do I want much louder of an exhaust.

Maybe I need to re-re-think my motor plans.

All of this is whole thread is people giving there subjective and personal tastes for what they think a daily driver should be.

I think that the 20V cams should stay out of N/A engines. Turbo can help it. Unless you have a 6 speed gearbox, or a nice big turbo, it is pointless. They are made for a 6 speed gear box which would keep those big fucking cams up there in the higher end longer, more often, whatever you want to say.

Dynos are fairly pointless unless you have one person on the same dyno, same machine, hell, even same operator doing it. And even then, that is only good for personal comparative purposes. Everything else could be a gross over or under exaggeration because like some other are saying in here, tuning matters.

My car ran like shit for a month because good old JWT decided to get lazy and not write on the program sticker "28 degrees of base timing" or something similar and they did not inform me that this would be using a 25 degrees of base timing. So, I ran for over a month with at least ten degrees of timing retarded in my car. I had shitty dyno results and when I give the car back those ten or plus degrees of timing, it loved it and the car made the power I was expecting.

Now, some other people also want to jump straight on the "since you dont own it, you cant possibly know shit about it". Engines are the fucking same man, they have not changed in a long long time what goes on inside those fuckers. Maybe how that shit gets in there and how that shit gets burned up and how that mixture gets toyed with before it enters there is different. But, when the air goes in, it must go out. That never changes.

Let me tell you this, with cars, numbers tell you a lot. And, numbers do not lie, they dont drink, eat, sleep and they are not a person. They dont lie. People do.

Shawn B, if you want something nice for all-motor daily driver. get a low port Euro red top engine, and make it a big block SR20. That engine would be super tits. I would get JWT S3 cams probably to maintain more low end torque. Mild cams are fun in an SR20. I know this now. But, with a big block SR20. That would be very fun. Maybe even make me do more headwork and get larger cams. JWTs program for these cams is very good, imho. I guarantee it. I would love to do that rather than get an SR20VE. THe DE is such a torquey bastard, that I may want to kepe the DE and just improve upon the internals for more power.

This thread really makes me think.... I mean come on whay are we even discussing this??? If the car is just going to be a daily to commute then why do you have a ve in the first place? And if you bother putting a ve in it whay not try to take advantage of this much superior power plant that you put in the car for a reason... I guess I don't get the point. Why are you swapping the motor if all you car about is power down low. Stick w the stock set up or throw a t25 on it. Idk..................

Fuckin' right.

Yes the op is giving his personal experience and opinion on what is good for dd and you are doing the same too. So why is it that you keep trying to tell everyone a de is better for dd when its just your personal thoughts.

It is not my personal thoughts, here is what it is to me. It makes no sense (none, zero, zilch) whatsoever to be wanting a VE to stay in the daily driving RPM range.

If I owned a VE, I would daily drive it, but I would not want to be in the lower RPM ranges, that is for damn sure.

DE is so torquey, which is what everyone wants for a daily driver, it makes no sense again to discard it for a VE.

Not everyone may agree with my thought process and that is expected but I am not stupid or ignorant because I do not own one.

It is a fact the ve will make more tq down low but my whole point is if your just worried about your commute why the hell does it matter how much power your making??

Yes it make no sense to swap to a ve for if you only want low end power but its the same saying getting and swapping to euro red top and big bore that thing. From that i assume your point from that is for more power but there will be more power if done to a ve. So all that isnt relevant to a dd car n power. This can go on but like you said it just each own opinion for what they want in there car.

Fun DD? Without breaking the bank? Reusing old parts which you have lying around from years of building?

I mean there are many reasons why.

I own both a DE and a VE. Both are fully bolted. No one said you were stupid or ignorant because you don't own one. If I personally had not even owned a VE I wouldn't have had to post about my experiences with driving or tuning one much less assume on how it should perform just by the numbers. I can only go by personal experience when I post. Both of my cars can be daily drivers easily but the driving experience is different for both, obviously. The OP probably won't discard his VE with the stock cams for a torquey DE, especially when he can just change cams and decide whether he wants the low end driveability or the top end potential. You may never own a VE, ever. That doesn't make you a villian. But for those that do or have owned one, most can relate to the OP's post. Not necessarily agree, but relate.