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2010-09-20 11:25:44
#21
Originally Posted by sqd
with all due respect, andreas, it's companies like Autech, JWT, etc who do the R&D for our cars. companies like OBX and SSAC and other chinese knockoff companies sure do have killer prices but how much does it cost to copy someone's design? not much...

look what happened to Hot Shot Headers. sure, they weren't cheap, but what happens when SSAC/OBX makes a copy of their product and sells it for a fraction of the price? there's no more hot shot....

sure, autech's billet TB is expensive, but you're paying into guaranteeing that reputable companies like autech will continue making parts for our cars.

by all means (and this message is to all you cheapy-fake part supporters/purchasers) if you guys want to keep buying fake parts, go ahead. i've already moved onto different platforms so it doesn't effect me, but think about yourselves for a second. this market is going to dry up if you guys keep undercutting the guys who are putting their own time, money, and resources into the R&D for these motors/chassis....


Lets say this again,

This post should be in the for sale forum.

This is not a for sale forum, so it is open for comment.

Autech, JWT, Greddy, and so on should not be put in with Hosthot.

You brought this up on Hotshot. Hotshot product was sub par to the SSAC header. You can buy 3 SSAC headers for 1 Hotshot. The Hotshot header cracked and the Hotshot header was made of mild steel vs SSAC which was stainless steel. Lastly people act as if hostshot designed the Tri Y header. The Try Y header is an old design. All Hotshot did was put it on a SR20DE flange to it. I can also tell you that Pacesetter headers had the same design and did not copy from Hotshot it is cheaper and people stay away from it to. Why because of quality and material. I also thing Pacesetter was out before Hotshot.

When you talk about companies that inovate and make parts for out cars in this market Protech comes to mind. When I hear Protech the things that come to mind is Quality product, Service and Great person running the company. These are the reasons a company like Protech survives even though having a pricey product still have people beating down their doors. I am sure he even has to pass on some customers.

Some of the SSAC and OBX products suck at the same time no one is going to make me pay $500-$700 for an intercooler when these companies offer a intercooler in the $75-$150 range that work great. My friend Patrick has a 987 WHP Celica that runs 206 MPH in a mile on an ebay intercooler and his friend has an EVO that runs 190 MPH in the mile on an ebay intercooler. That speaks for itself.

If anyone can see where I said this product ( TB ) sucks then you are good. All I said is that you can find products of the same nature for alot less. Also the flange on this TB being identical to the N1 flange is meaningless because 95% of people buying this TB will be making an intake manifold.

That being said a nice 80mm Q45 TB with the mechanical cold start for $100 will work great on any 2.3-2.4 L VE motor.
2010-09-20 11:48:43
#22
Anything positive you would like to add about the product?
2010-09-20 11:53:02
#23
Andreas your not contributing at all. Maybe we can get a mod in here to clean this crap out?

Probably best you walk away from this thread? Your beating your own dead horse mate.

Being bolt on is meaningful. It means guys can switch to a bigger throttlebody, without having to go custom manifold, and without having to pay the nissan price for a genuine throttle.


Im over this kind of shit, no wonder so many people have left this place and the last.
2010-09-20 11:55:23
#24
Originally Posted by blusteelsr20
Anything positive you would like to add about the product?




Taken from the second post of the thread.

Originally Posted by Andreas
This TB looks like a nice pc, but one 70MM TB will not work any better than the next. For the masses this TB will not have the cold start valve on it so there will be cold starting idle issues also

They sell some billet TBs on ebay just like that one. $225 shipped and $200 shipped

BLACKWORKS 70MM BILLET THROTTLE BODY TB ACCORD PRELUDE: eBay Motors (item 200460115865 end time Oct-07-10 18:40:58 PDT)

OBX 70mm TB Throttle Body Integra Civic Prelude S2000: eBay Motors (item 170542202689 end time Oct-18-10 12:29:47 PDT)



I guess when we make comments on anything we just have to lick ass just to keep everyone happy.
2010-09-20 12:17:15
#25
Originally Posted by Autech
Andreas your not contributing at all. Maybe we can get a mod in here to clean this crap out?

Probably best you walk away from this thread? Your beating your own dead horse mate.

Being bolt on is meaningful. It means guys can switch to a bigger throttlebody, without having to go custom manifold, and without having to pay the nissan price for a genuine throttle.



Dont walk away from the thread, defend it to the ground. Lets have a little talk on the subject at hand.

Now think of this for one second.

Your TB or the N1 TB ( which have the same bolt pattern ) will only bolt to the N1 manifold. So your comment is incorrect. Using this TB or the N1 TB or the ebay TB will mean you have to weld on a new flange, or bolt on a new flange to any Nissan intake manifold. This pattern is only specific to the N1 manifold.

That being said your comment is false.
2010-09-20 12:29:59
#26




2010-09-20 12:33:16
#27
So back to my original point.

This TB you have here is a very nice pc. ( as stated in post #2 )

There are other 70mm TBs that can be had for $100 less.

In general a 70mm TB will work no better than the other 70mm TB.

The advatage of your TB is it fits the ( original TPS ), which is great.

A TB adapter flange to bolt up to any stock VE or DE manifold can be made for $40 so any TB can have an adapter flange made to bolt up.

I now see that you are selling yours with that flange which makes it easier. ( point made later on )

The majority of people here will not want to run a a TB without the cold start valve.

So that you know I run my N1 TB without cold start valve but in cold climates this is a real problem. I live in Fl which is always warm.

For a guy with a stand alone this TB is the way to go because of price and fitment of TPS.
2010-09-20 12:57:52
#28
Originally Posted by Autech
Andreas your not contributing at all. Maybe we can get a mod in here to clean this crap out?


Yes he is. You just don't like what he is saying. And no a mod shouldn't IMO.

Originally Posted by Autech
Being bolt on is meaningful. It means guys can switch to a bigger throttlebody, without having to go custom manifold, and without having to pay the nissan price for a genuine throttle.


ROFLMAO You say bolt on.. Bash the generic ones because they "don't" bolt on... Then show that yours uses an adapter plate. So your isn't any different than the generic ones in that aspect, except that yours comes with the adapter plate already. You still got the one up on the TPS bolting on from the ebay generics tho. You just need to keep yours story straight.

Originally Posted by Autech
Im over this kind of shit, no wonder so many people have left this place and the last.


Grow up. He brought up valid points and your story walked all over the place and you got emotional about it. This is a discussion bring facts to the table and shrug off what you don't like. It looks like a nice products and there will be some that buy it, but as Andreas pointed out there are other options that have pros over yours. Just like yours has pros over the others.
2010-09-20 13:28:02
#29
This doesn't happen often but I'm with Dre on this one and I know he could use the support. He's being highly constructive. As a businessman it sure looks as if you (Autech) are not handling this well and cannot see that Andreas is giving you market research from the eyes of a buyer with views on that matter that you've apparently never even thought of.

Dre, this is not for people with stand-alone. People with stand-alones can use what ever TPS they want, which means they can buy 75mm Summit Racing throttle bodies for $75 to mate to their custom intake manifold with Ford 5.0 flange.

This is for people with N1 manifolds (or N1 flanged manifolds) and factory/daughterboard/piggyback ECUs who want to save some money versus buying OEM and live in warm climates.
Autech, am I wrong?

I've got another question.
Originally Posted by Autech
Polished billet aluminium.
Could you bring the price down if you skip the polishing? Maybe just polish the inside and mating surfaces? Is the entire thing polished?
2010-09-20 13:36:38
#30
Originally Posted by BenFenner
This doesn't happen often but I'm with Dre on this one and I know he could use the support. He's being highly constructive. As a businessman it sure looks as if you (Autech) are not handling this well and cannot see that Andreas is giving you market research from the eyes of a buyer with views on that matter that you've apparently never even thought of.

Dre, this is not for people with stand-alone. People with stand-alones can use what ever TPS they want, which means they can buy 75mm Summit Racing throttle bodies for $75 to mate to their custom intake manifold with Ford 5.0 flange.

This is for people with N1 manifolds (or N1 flanged manifolds) and factory/daughterboard/piggyback ECUs.
Autech, am I wrong?

I've got another question. Could you bring the price down if you skip the polishing? Maybe just polish the inside? Is the entire thing polished?


I was only saying this TB is more for guys with a standalone because of the no Fast Idle which a standalone can fix. If you guys put a TB with no fast idle on a DE or VE you will have cold start idle problems where the car will shut off. The factory or ECUs or aftermarket drop in ECUs dump fuel on start up.

It is 100% for N1 manifolds or N1 flanged manifolds aftermarket manifolds.

I also feel that the adapter plate thing is good but most people just use it in the wrong way. They bolt on the adaptor plate and bolt on the TB and role out. This serves no advatage over the standard 60mm TB. Anyone using an adapter plate has to put in the time to machine out the original intake manifold so that the intake manifold bore is also 70mm. If not you end up with the same flow because of the standard hole size behind the TB
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