Originally Posted by sqd
with all due respect, andreas, it's companies like Autech, JWT, etc who do the R&D for our cars. companies like OBX and SSAC and other chinese knockoff companies sure do have killer prices but how much does it cost to copy someone's design? not much...
look what happened to Hot Shot Headers. sure, they weren't cheap, but what happens when SSAC/OBX makes a copy of their product and sells it for a fraction of the price? there's no more hot shot....
sure, autech's billet TB is expensive, but you're paying into guaranteeing that reputable companies like autech will continue making parts for our cars.
by all means (and this message is to all you cheapy-fake part supporters/purchasers) if you guys want to keep buying fake parts, go ahead. i've already moved onto different platforms so it doesn't effect me, but think about yourselves for a second. this market is going to dry up if you guys keep undercutting the guys who are putting their own time, money, and resources into the R&D for these motors/chassis....
with all due respect, andreas, it's companies like Autech, JWT, etc who do the R&D for our cars. companies like OBX and SSAC and other chinese knockoff companies sure do have killer prices but how much does it cost to copy someone's design? not much...
look what happened to Hot Shot Headers. sure, they weren't cheap, but what happens when SSAC/OBX makes a copy of their product and sells it for a fraction of the price? there's no more hot shot....
sure, autech's billet TB is expensive, but you're paying into guaranteeing that reputable companies like autech will continue making parts for our cars.
by all means (and this message is to all you cheapy-fake part supporters/purchasers) if you guys want to keep buying fake parts, go ahead. i've already moved onto different platforms so it doesn't effect me, but think about yourselves for a second. this market is going to dry up if you guys keep undercutting the guys who are putting their own time, money, and resources into the R&D for these motors/chassis....
Lets say this again,
This post should be in the for sale forum.
This is not a for sale forum, so it is open for comment.
Autech, JWT, Greddy, and so on should not be put in with Hosthot.
You brought this up on Hotshot. Hotshot product was sub par to the SSAC header. You can buy 3 SSAC headers for 1 Hotshot. The Hotshot header cracked and the Hotshot header was made of mild steel vs SSAC which was stainless steel. Lastly people act as if hostshot designed the Tri Y header. The Try Y header is an old design. All Hotshot did was put it on a SR20DE flange to it. I can also tell you that Pacesetter headers had the same design and did not copy from Hotshot it is cheaper and people stay away from it to. Why because of quality and material. I also thing Pacesetter was out before Hotshot.
When you talk about companies that inovate and make parts for out cars in this market Protech comes to mind. When I hear Protech the things that come to mind is Quality product, Service and Great person running the company. These are the reasons a company like Protech survives even though having a pricey product still have people beating down their doors. I am sure he even has to pass on some customers.
Some of the SSAC and OBX products suck at the same time no one is going to make me pay $500-$700 for an intercooler when these companies offer a intercooler in the $75-$150 range that work great. My friend Patrick has a 987 WHP Celica that runs 206 MPH in a mile on an ebay intercooler and his friend has an EVO that runs 190 MPH in the mile on an ebay intercooler. That speaks for itself.
If anyone can see where I said this product ( TB ) sucks then you are good. All I said is that you can find products of the same nature for alot less. Also the flange on this TB being identical to the N1 flange is meaningless because 95% of people buying this TB will be making an intake manifold.
That being said a nice 80mm Q45 TB with the mechanical cold start for $100 will work great on any 2.3-2.4 L VE motor.