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2010-04-05 12:54:38
#41
Originally Posted by 92_sEnAtRa
^^^Thas what I'm talkin about!!!


^x 2!
2010-04-05 19:32:13
#42
Originally Posted by Autech
Sure i know what your saying.

Im not talking about daily driver miles. Im talking about race situation - maximum loads and stresses.


Coheed: 1.6 crank puts higher stress on the roads and bearings. More than a 2.0 crank does. With a longer sweep and shorter rod the stress is trasnferred throughout the crank rotation - using the 1.6 crank puts higher spikes of stress on the bottom end.


You got that backward. Have you even seen a 1.6 crank or rods? The 1.6 has a shorter sweep/stroke and longer rods than the 2.0. Therefore, the 1.6 would have less stress on the bottom end at the same rpm than the 2.0.

Ask Derm about.
2010-04-05 20:25:03
#43
Originally Posted by Andreas
This is the stuff people dont understand. That 71g is about 20% heavier than the standard piston. This is huge, more so on an engine that we are trying to rev from 8500-9500 RPMs to make power.



Dre, I would assume this motor would be equipped with a stronger rod. So the extra weight of this piston would cause a lets say a Eagle rod to fail?

Like Cliff mentioned the rist pin may take more straing. Hell such a big bore motor would revving it to 9500 RPM's be a smart thing?
2010-04-06 01:34:41
#44
Originally Posted by 5speed
You got that backward. Have you even seen a 1.6 crank or rods? The 1.6 has a shorter sweep/stroke and longer rods than the 2.0. Therefore, the 1.6 would have less stress on the bottom end at the same rpm than the 2.0.

Ask Derm about.


its the shorter sweep that makes the angular load have mores pressure on the bottom of the sweep and the height of the sweep.As the change of angle in the sweep is shorter - the load doesnt have as much time to be trasnferred or absorbed.
2010-04-06 02:38:11
#45
Load on the crank isn't a big issue, the crank can take it. I would be worried about the short rod on a 2.0 and the piston's side load.

Regardless of the throw, piston speeds are much much lower on the 1.6 crank and therefore would have a lot less stress. Piston speeds play a much larger role in reliability and power in the high rpm. Though harmonics will show a quicker spike in load, there is less load overall. It's just being dispersed over a longer period.

But like I said, this small load that the crank experiences is going to, more than, offset by the slower piston speed.
2010-04-06 12:43:00
#46
Originally Posted by Autech
its the shorter sweep that makes the angular load have mores pressure on the bottom of the sweep and the height of the sweep.As the change of angle in the sweep is shorter - the load doesnt have as much time to be trasnferred or absorbed.


^All in all, what are you trying to say? It's not gonna work, or it's not gonna last long?
2010-11-25 07:06:04
#47
Originally Posted by SR20GTi-R
I am more than confident that the PE gasket will seal a 93mm bore after measurements taken today. I was able to source a vh45 piston locally.

I agree, the cast piston will weigh more than a forged piston, but we are talking a few grams.

Mr. Dundon is sending me a 93mm o-ringed block he had laying around that will accept a flat milled head and PE gasket.

I have all the parts laying here to make it happen. For $1600 total (head and block) I don't know how I can lose. Real world testing is the only way we will find the limits. Theory can take us but so far.


Is this the motor that got started this week??
2010-11-25 11:44:36
#48
Originally Posted by macakin
Is this the motor that got started this week??


No, It's actually my 92x92 VE
2010-11-25 17:24:33
#49
Alright, so did you get to assemble the 93mm block ?
2010-11-25 17:39:04
#50
Originally Posted by SR20GTi-R
I am more than confident that the PE gasket will seal a 93mm bore after measurements taken today. I was able to source a vh45 piston locally.

I agree, the cast piston will weigh more than a forged piston, but we are talking a few grams.

Mr. Dundon is sending me a 93mm o-ringed block he had laying around that will accept a flat milled head and PE gasket.

I have all the parts laying here to make it happen. For $1600 total (head and block) I don't know how I can lose. Real world testing is the only way we will find the limits. Theory can take us but so far.



very well stated and respected statement
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