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2010-03-11 01:10:00
#61
doesnt anyone in miami have a consult cable an datascan? poor dannys had problems for months now, it would be so easy to just plug in an see what temps the car runs at.. thats why i dont care what my dash gauge says lol, ima get a aftermarket gauge an just unplug that one
2010-03-11 01:25:04
#62
^^^thats what Im saying..
2010-03-14 21:58:40
#63
Alright. Want to see if your gauge is funky or not? Get the proper resistor that emulates running temp. I'll find it and post the resistance up. Simply unhook your single-prong temp sensor, hook the wire to the resistor and ground the resistor. See where the needle lands. Go from there.
2010-04-24 08:36:34
#64
Update: cold weather gone gauge workin properly lol even verifyed via consult an the actual engine temp doesn't change, just the reading on the dash lol..
2010-05-22 02:24:04
#65
Originally Posted by llaprad1
The OEM gauge has 3 "settings" Cold, operating temp, and hot.

Cold is 0 deg and something like 150 deg.

Operating temp is (150 deg) to 212 deg.

Hot is over 212 deg.

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If your engine is 170 deg. your needle will read exactly in the middle.
If your engine is 200 deg. your needle will read exactly in the middle.
If your engine is 185 deg. your needle will read exactly in the middle.

It may not look exactly in the middle, but it's in the same exactly spot close to the middle if everything is working as supposed to.

If your engine is 0 deg. the needle will be all the way to the left.
If your engine is 120 deg. the needle will be all the way to the left.
If your engine is 50 deg. the needle will be all the way to the left.

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If your engine is 190 deg. your needle will not be "a little over the middle." It will be in the gauge's normal middle (which may be a little below the hash mark).

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Furthermore, your needle does not start moving upward until the moment you hit 213 deg.
The only way to see this and have it make sense is to hook up something that sees actual engine temperature, not engine temp status. Like an OBD2 scanner or an Informeter or a Scan gauge.


Sorry, but I replaced my dash cluster today and had a chance to test this. Long story short, it's not true. At least on my B14. Using resistors, I hooked a different resistance to the signal wire and the gauge read different degrees relative to normal operating temp. B13's should react the same, as it's the same system used for the dash gauge reading.

What this means is that as your temperature slowly climbs to operating temp, your resistance through the thermistor will slowly fall, and your gauge will appropriately slowly go up. If you stop shy of operating temp, the gauge will show as such; slightly below normal.

This "3 position" theory doesn't make sense, considering the coil that drives the gauge is directly resistance-dependent, and the sensor (thermistor) has fully-variable output in relation to temperature. Your gauge will display the relative temperature location, no matter what temperature it is . The big thing, though, is knowing where "normal operating temp" is on your gauge, as they can be messed with or have other affecting variables on it.

tl;dr: Gauges react directly to resistance. If your gauge looks low, there are 2 possibilities: 1 - Your temperature is being maintained just shy of operating temp, or 2 - Your gauge's location for normal temp is simply low . An accurate reading of your coolant temp will tell you which it is.
2010-05-22 04:10:18
#66
So knowing what could be your normal operating temp by the factory gauge is not necessarily the most accurate. Yep, gotta get an analog or digital gauge or use the consult port via cable, ie Nistune or Calumsult via Tunerpro & Logworks. The factory gauge is a liability IMHO, speaking from experience with both my B13s.
2010-05-22 04:13:21
#67
just to clarify you mean the stock Dash Gauge is a POS, but the Ecu sensor that you can use with consult or Whatever program you choose works fairly well.. Correct?

i no longer go by what my dash gauge says, i've played with nistune long enough now to know what my cars running at.. she like to stay between 184-194 depending on speed, on the fwy she stays low 180's an on regular streets its around 190's the only time the fans come on is when shes sittin lol
2010-05-22 06:10:01
#68
Yep, I agree. The stock gauge is really only useful for seeing when you're up to temp, and when you're overheating and need to shut down. Outside of that, don't count on it.
2010-05-22 06:35:37
#69
Originally Posted by WingmanSR20
...This "3 position" theory doesn't make sense, considering the coil that drives the gauge is directly resistance-dependent, and the sensor (thermistor) has fully-variable output in relation to temperature. ...


Regardless of what you measured (at the sender's signal?), I have observed this behavior between the OEM gauge and a CONSULT port real-time readout.

What I have described above is exactly what I have observed. I'm not guessing.

It's not my 'theory.'
2010-05-22 06:56:14
#70
Where should temp needle be rested? - MBWorld.org Forums

Post #8 and down touches on the topic...
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