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Thread: Dyno tuned ve w/ stock 2.0 cams

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2009-08-08 13:27:20
#21
post up the bin... was the timing map changed too?
2009-08-08 16:18:57
#22
Originally Posted by nick
What I don't understand is when 5speed posted his results ( http://www.sr20-forum.com/vvl/16179-not-bad-100-header.html ) everyone cried bullsh1t and he has 11:1 and Franklin/n1 cams and probably more dyno time than anyone on the forum, then a essentially stock motor makes 194 and not one person goes hmmmm that seems a little high
Your obviously very good at tuning with a 217whp motor to your name and now this. can't wait for some decent cams in this thing.

Not trying to knock what you've done i'm just pointing out how strange this forum is at times.

so i wasnt the only one that noticed that
2009-08-08 17:49:36
#23
Originally Posted by blo0d
post up the bin... was the timing map changed too?


x2 any way to get a screenshot of the timing map? good numbers indeed.
2009-08-08 18:00:53
#24
here is how i see it. i understand where your comming from. but i dont think many guys come out and actually tune stock motors, i think they actually do better then we give them credit for stock. i also made 180s with out tuning and the exact same mods, using the same ssac. i know i made almost 200whp w just sr16 cams and the same header this car is using and gained almost 10 over stock, because i played with the timing aswell. now that makes sense because i did not tune the stock set up, just made a base pull so i knew where the car was at and what i started with hp wise.

i also noticed with my car is that its not really easy to pick up a ton of power. these motors do so well stock that you really have to be smart about modding them. i think everyone with n1 cams is probably only making about 7-8 whp more then stock unless hey have the proper headers. for example my car made about the same power, but lost tq when i went from 16 to n1 cams until i built a 4-1 that worked.

i guess all im really saying is that not many ppl tune stock set ups, if they did i think we would see more numbers like this. im not the only one who ran 13.5@100 w a stock motor. both me and him do, wich means both our motors made the same amount, as we weigh the same.
2009-08-08 18:19:14
#25
Originally Posted by cory
here is how i see it. i understand where your comming from. but i dont think many guys come out and actually tune stock motors, i think they actually do better then we give them credit for stock. i also made 180s with out tuning and the exact same mods, using the same ssac. i know i made almost 200whp w just sr16 cams and the same header this car is using and gained almost 10 over stock, because i played with the timing aswell. now that makes sense because i did not tune the stock set up, just made a base pull so i knew where the car was at and what i started with hp wise.

i also noticed with my car is that its not really easy to pick up a ton of power. these motors do so well stock that you really have to be smart about modding them. i think everyone with n1 cams is probably only making about 7-8 whp more then stock unless hey have the proper headers. for example my car made about the same power, but lost tq when i went from 16 to n1 cams until i built a 4-1 that worked.

i guess all im really saying is that not many ppl tune stock set ups, if they did i think we would see more numbers like this. im not the only one who ran 13.5@100 w a stock motor. both me and him do, wich means both our motors made the same amount, as we weigh the same.


This is true but I'd also like to agree that I think SR20VE motors much like DE/DET are very variable and some you get are just stupidly strong.

You can't under-emphasize what it says in the op. but definitely the tuning is the other half.
2009-08-08 18:24:23
#26
I think he got a "Wednesday" motor. Nice numbers and good job on the tuning.
2009-08-08 20:58:00
#27
Originally Posted by THOR
wow didnt see this...that looks very good.....


Originally Posted by SeR_k1dd
damn thats good numbers on stock cams!


Thanks.
2009-08-08 21:07:04
#28
Originally Posted by nick
What I don't understand is when 5speed posted his results ( http://www.sr20-forum.com/vvl/16179-not-bad-100-header.html ) everyone cried bullsh1t and he has 11:1 and Franklin/n1 cams and probably more dyno time than anyone on the forum, then a essentially stock motor makes 194 and not one person goes hmmmm that seems a little high
Your obviously very good at tuning with a 217whp motor to your name and now this. can't wait for some decent cams in this thing.

Not trying to knock what you've done i'm just pointing out how strange this forum is at times.


Well why is it hard to believe? Just like Cory said it might be hard to improve on a stock motor. Even before Cory put in piston's He did 212whp on this dyno and it was a stock motor and now this motor tuned on stock cams. My ve only did 193whp on this dyno and i run a fuji header and n1 cams. Is it low then? Also ser007 tuned on the same dyno and some said its low for wwhat he's got too although it's not a ve and yes he's a damn good tuner.
2009-08-09 00:57:49
#29
^ truth shane in the man when it comes to tuning. and he knows tuner pro inside and out, hes been using it for years for domestic and dsm stuff
2009-08-09 03:27:35
#30
Originally Posted by cory
here is how i see it. i understand where your comming from. but i dont think many guys come out and actually tune stock motors, i think they actually do better then we give them credit for stock. i also made 180s with out tuning and the exact same mods, using the same ssac. i know i made almost 200whp w just sr16 cams and the same header this car is using and gained almost 10 over stock, because i played with the timing aswell. now that makes sense because i did not tune the stock set up, just made a base pull so i knew where the car was at and what i started with hp wise.

i also noticed with my car is that its not really easy to pick up a ton of power. these motors do so well stock that you really have to be smart about modding them. i think everyone with n1 cams is probably only making about 7-8 whp more then stock unless hey have the proper headers. for example my car made about the same power, but lost tq when i went from 16 to n1 cams until i built a 4-1 that worked.

i guess all im really saying is that not many ppl tune stock set ups, if they did i think we would see more numbers like this. im not the only one who ran 13.5@100 w a stock motor. both me and him do, wich means both our motors made the same amount, as we weigh the same.


Yeah, I do note that a lot of people are running 20ve's on non tuned setups (Calums non realtimes?), so these numbers are pretty good. You cant really compare between dyno's anyway.

7-8whp is shocking if thats all people are getting from N1's on a stock motor. I more than doubled that, with a cheap header to boot.
Of course I also had mine fully retuned, so your probably right if people just slap them in.
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