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cory here is how i see it. i understand where your comming from. but i dont think many guys come out and actually tune stock motors, i think they actually do better then we give them credit for stock. i also made 180s with out tuning and the exact same mods, using the same ssac. i know i made almost 200whp w just sr16 cams and the same header this car is using and gained almost 10 over stock, because i played with the timing aswell. now that makes sense because i did not tune the stock set up, just made a base pull so i knew where the car was at and what i started with hp wise.
i also noticed with my car is that its not really easy to pick up a ton of power. these motors do so well stock that you really have to be smart about modding them. i think everyone with n1 cams is probably only making about 7-8 whp more then stock unless hey have the proper headers. for example my car made about the same power, but lost tq when i went from 16 to n1 cams until i built a 4-1 that worked.
i guess all im really saying is that not many ppl tune stock set ups, if they did i think we would see more numbers like this. im not the only one who ran 13.5@100 w a stock motor. both me and him do, wich means both our motors made the same amount, as we weigh the same.
Yeah, I do note that a lot of people are running 20ve's on non tuned setups (Calums non realtimes?), so these numbers are pretty good. You cant really compare between dyno's anyway.
7-8whp is shocking if thats all people are getting from N1's on a stock motor. I more than doubled that, with a cheap header to boot.
Of course I also had mine fully retuned, so your probably right if people just slap them in.