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Thread: Franklin 20v low/ N1 high cams are available!!

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2009-06-17 21:44:11
#51
I don't remember BC cams ever being tested with dyno graphs showing their gains, yet tons of my friends have tried them with good results. Not as good as the S4 JWT, but very close.

Who needs dyno results anyway? bunch of queens. Just buy them. Post up your dyno after you feel how much faster the car is. The only people who will cry after that are the people who don't have the skill to work on their own car and dial in the cams.

Waaaaaah.
2009-06-17 21:55:55
#52
Originally Posted by BenFenner
The one that makes more power and/or area under the curve is the superior one, and the one that makes less is the suboptimal one.
Duh.

You think I'm joking.

I'm not.

No, I did not. What does that have to do with anything?

Nope. Again, relevance?

I think I saw a pic of them in EVLNXR's thread... Again, relevance?


You seem to be quite confused as to what I've said in my posts. Maybe you should go back and read them again. Somewhere you made a crazy assumption that has made you look silly.

Not sure where you got that idea. I was trying to explain why some people might be apprehensive about the Franklin cams. I never made a statement about preference to one cam or the other. I prefer the best cam (although that's really a moot point as I don't have a VE nor any plans of ever building one).Collectively, we know there is such a thing as a bad cam. We know there is such a thing as a good cam. We know both are possible to make, and we know many of the reasons why a bad cam is bad, and a good cam is good. We know enough to avoid many of the pitfalls of making a bad cam. Charles was making sure he followed those guidelines at the least where other cam companies have so easily failed (BC to name one). Maybe Franklin did the same thing BC did, maybe they followed good guidelines, or maybe they made the best cam in existence. I'm not saying that isn't possible. I'm just saying there's no way for us to tell right now. So why should people buy it right now, unproven? It's a gamble. There are gambling types out there and I respect them (and their incomes), you just don't seem to find many here in our crowd. I'm sure we'd like that not to be the case, but it is what it is.


Not to sound like a pompous asshole or anything, but do you even know who I am or anything about me? Kindly tell me what my horsepower goal is. Thanks.


OMG, you don’t even have a VE!

For some reason, you jumped into a subject that is very technical. Saying one cam is better than the other. You are taking assumptions to another level. Do us all a favor and stay out of the VE section. Stick to the section you have first hand experience.

Benfenner wants to give VE cam advice to people, but he never worked on one or knows how they work. Somebody has been staying at the Holiday Inn.
2009-06-17 22:00:59
#53
the big question to me is if these are based on the correct centerline. if there on the N1 centerline then this should be a great drop in cam from idle to 8.5k..
2009-06-17 22:07:14
#54
Originally Posted by ca18
no offense dude but you are comparing a cam that WILL NEVER BE MADE
If you'd prefer, you can take any mention I ever made of theorhetical cams in this thread and replace it with "N1 cams" or "stock SR20VE cams" or "a cam made out of spaghetti" and the argument would still stand.
Originally Posted by ca18
So technically the franklin one is the best
That's the real problem here. No one knooooows.
Originally Posted by ca18
people are still up his arse like a rat down a hole
I am no Charles fanboy. I have no problem calling Charles out when I think he's not doing things right. I have in the past.

Originally Posted by Coheed
The only people who will cry after that are the people who don't have the skill to work on their own car and dial in the cams.
If they are made incorrectly, no amount of cam gear will solve the problem.

Originally Posted by 5speed
For some reason, you jumped into a subject that is very technical.
Yah, that's kind of my thing.
Originally Posted by 5speed
Saying one cam is better than the other.
Nope. Never said anything like that. Not even close. Unless you count me saying JWT cams are better than BC cams...
Originally Posted by 5speed
You are taking assumptions to another level.
Name one incorrect assumption I've made.
Originally Posted by 5speed
Do us all a favor and stay out of the VE section.
I've always had an open invitation for forum memebers to make a poll. If it turns out in their favor, I'll leave a forum (or section) forever. The ball is in your court.
Originally Posted by 5speed
Stick to the section you have first hand experience.
And why the hell should I do that?
Originally Posted by 5speed
Benfenner wants to give VE cam advice to people, but he never worked on one
Correct.
Originally Posted by 5speed
or knows how they work.
Now who's making the assumptions?


I merely came here to explain my theory as to why people aren't jumping on this cam like it's the second coming. Maybe others have a better theory? VE owners are just as cheap as the DE(T) owners?

For some reason it looks like everyone's looking for a fight, and with no one to pick it on they've latched onto me, making my statements somehow argumentative and controversial. I'm not the droid you're looking for, she's in another castle.
2009-06-17 22:17:30
#55
^ dude chill out. we dont need all this quoting rambling nonsense taking up all this space in these threads. just pm the man if you have an issue
2009-06-17 22:32:17
#56
PM who? ca18 bluebird? Coheed? 5speed?
I responded to all three.



You on the otherhand...
I recall a story about a pot and a kettle. You might look it up.
2009-06-17 22:38:53
#57
listen i dont care.. my motor is better then all of yours.
2009-06-17 22:39:05
#58
Originally Posted by BenFenner
PM who? ca18 bluebird? Coheed? 5speed?
I responded to all three.



You on the otherhand...
I recall a story about a pot and a kettle. You might look it up.


pm all of them then i dont care. but it would be nice if you could keep your little bitching fest to the pms
2009-06-17 22:40:42
#59
Originally Posted by cory
your little bitching fest
It takes two to tango.
2009-06-17 23:06:28
#60
Everyone should chip in for 1(TRUSTABLE) guy to test them tester gets to keep the cams. This is what 1 certain member told me when I asked a question like this about the asp header. I would take the $20-$50 loss instead of $700 honestly if I had a Ve.
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