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Franklin 20v low/ N1 high cams are available!!

Thread: Franklin 20v low/ N1 high cams are available!!

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2009-06-17 18:23:53
#41
Originally Posted by BenFenner
I think part of the apprehension might be because Charles made a big stink about making them "right" and getting the two lobes (high and low) degree'd (with respect to each other) as well as making sure the newly designed intake cam would play nice with the current exhaust cams (or was a new exhaust cam in the works too?) making it a complete drop in affair (a la JWT cams) instead of having the intake lobes incorrectly degree'd (with no solution) and the intake cam overall not matched well in degree to the exhaust cam requiring cam gears (a la BC cams).

Cams are complicated. Charles made sure we knew that, and that he was going to make them right.

Have we been given the same assurance from Franklin?

I think not.


Originally Posted by snickers
I am no longer going to be making cams for the SR20VE for public sale or use so please close this thread.


lets leave snickers out of this since he is no longer doing it.
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2009-06-17 19:08:14
#42
Originally Posted by myprojectb13


Sometime I wonder if people listen. I told you a month ago I ordered two sets of these. I'll test them, keep the results to myself like I always do, and go back to Adrian with suggestions for improvements and a possible custom grind.



Legend, I hope it works out for you.
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2009-06-17 19:12:33
#43
Originally Posted by donttazmebro
lulz everyone wanted them made now that they are no one wants to pony up until someone ELSE proves their worth.

no wonder ASP decided not to make them


^He said he would make a set of cams better than the 20v/N1 cam. That's the cam I was waiting on. He said he know that he can.
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2009-06-17 19:22:26
#44
Originally Posted by myprojectb13
I didn't see any where in your original post that you mentioned this included shipping. Which seeing they're coming from the opposite side of the world can be a decent chunk of change, don't forget we're dealing with Nissan owners here.

Sometime I wonder if people listen. I told you a month ago I ordered two sets of these. I'll test them, keep the results to myself like I always do, and go back to Adrian with suggestions for improvements and a possible custom grind.


Welcome to the club, the people that actually do things.

Seriously, keep the results to yourself. I sometime get frustrated with the sheeps.
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2009-06-17 19:52:50
#45
Originally Posted by BenFenner
Making a suboptimal cam and testing it, and then maybe doing more R&D and coming out with a better cam makes sense in some instances, but not in this instance where the suboptimal cam design is known to be suboptimal, and a superior design is well known. It would make sense to expect something marginally better, but with room for improvement if this were new ground, but it's not. We already know, or have a good idea of what needs to be done. It would be silly for Franklin to do otherwise. And if they are half the company people say they are, they've probably done the right thing, and made the cam everyone wants. We don't know that though. All we have to go on are bits and pieces of information, and apparently no dyno graphs (unless you count evlnxer).

I see what you're saying. The Honda guys buy stuff like this all the time in the hunt for more power, if it works, yay, if it doesn't the companeis go back to the drawing board. That's not something our crowd does (or can do) for some reason or another (maybe they do in exceptional cases) but none of that matters here. There was a product the community wanted, and Charles was going to give it to them. Maybe Franklin has it, maybe they don't. It would be great if they'd release the specs so we could decide for ourselves.


How do you know which one is superior and suboptimal?
Did you test them both?
Did you measure them?
Did you physically see them?
If not, then shut up.

One cam is physically out being tested, while the other one is in somebody's head. Seems like you prefer the one in somebody's head that may or may not come to reality. Good luck with your horsepower goal.
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2009-06-17 20:10:39
#46
baa baa baa am i cool now too?


Originally Posted by kiwi-japie
I know of a set that went somewhere for a project with a Frankenstein setup.
20V low/ S4 high intake
20V low/ N1 high exhaust
All cams should be drop in
Base circle's have been kept identical as I explained to Adrian that it is cruicial for the end users that dont have the know how or dont want to spend time in re doing the shims.


sounds like a pretty interesting cam tbh. How did the guy go with it?
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2009-06-17 20:19:41
#47
Originally Posted by 5speed
How do you know which one is superior and suboptimal?
The one that makes more power and/or area under the curve is the superior one, and the one that makes less is the suboptimal one.
Duh.

You think I'm joking.

I'm not.

Originally Posted by 5speed
Did you test them both?
No, I did not. What does that have to do with anything?
Originally Posted by 5speed
Did you measure them?
Nope. Again, relevance?
Originally Posted by 5speed
Did you physically see them?
I think I saw a pic of them in EVLNXR's thread... Again, relevance?
Originally Posted by 5speed
If not, then shut up.
You seem to be quite confused as to what I've said in my posts. Maybe you should go back and read them again. Somewhere you made a crazy assumption that has made you look silly.
Originally Posted by 5speed
One cam is physically out being tested, while the other one is in somebody's head. Seems like you prefer the one in somebody's head
Not sure where you got that idea. I was trying to explain why some people might be apprehensive about the Franklin cams. I never made a statement about preference to one cam or the other. I prefer the best cam (although that's really a moot point as I don't have a VE nor any plans of ever building one).
Collectively, we know there is such a thing as a bad cam. We know there is such a thing as a good cam. We know both are possible to make, and we know many of the reasons why a bad cam is bad, and a good cam is good. We know enough to avoid many of the pitfalls of making a bad cam. Charles was making sure he followed those guidelines at the least where other cam companies have so easily failed (BC to name one). Maybe Franklin did the same thing BC did, maybe they followed good guidelines, or maybe they made the best cam in existence. I'm not saying that isn't possible. I'm just saying there's no way for us to tell right now. So why should people buy it right now, unproven? It's a gamble. There are gambling types out there and I respect them (and their incomes), you just don't seem to find many here in our crowd. I'm sure we'd like that not to be the case, but it is what it is.


Originally Posted by 5speed
Good luck with your horsepower goal.
Not to sound like a pompous asshole or anything, but do you even know who I am or anything about me? Kindly tell me what my horsepower goal is. Thanks.
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2009-06-17 20:23:39
#48
O snap. This thread is about to get even more messy.

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2009-06-17 20:43:06
#49
Originally Posted by BenFenner
The one that makes more power and/or area under the curve is the superior one, and the one that makes less is the suboptimal one.
Duh.

You think I'm joking.

I'm not.

No, I did not. What does that have to do with anything?

Nope. Again, relevance?

I think I saw a pic of them in EVLNXR's thread... Again, relevance?


You seem to be quite confused as to what I've said in my posts. Maybe you should go back and read them again. Somewhere you made a crazy assumption that has made you look silly.

Not sure where you got that idea. I was trying to explain why some people might be apprehensive about the Franklin cams. I never made a statement about preference to one cam or the other. I prefer the best cam (although that's really a moot point as I don't have a VE nor any plans of ever building one).
Collectively, we know there is such a thing as a bad cam. We know there is such a thing as a good cam. We know both are possible to make, and we know many of the reasons why a bad cam is bad, and a good cam is good. We know enough to avoid many of the pitfalls of making a bad cam. Charles was making sure he followed those guidelines at the least where other cam companies have so easily failed (BC to name one). Maybe Franklin did the same thing BC did, maybe they followed good guidelines, or maybe they made the best cam in existence. I'm not saying that isn't possible. I'm just saying there's no way for us to tell right now. So why should people buy it right now, unproven? It's a gamble. There are gambling types out there and I respect them (and their incomes), you just don't seem to find many here in our crowd. I'm sure we'd like that not to be the case, but it is what it is.


Not to sound like a pompous asshole or anything, but do you even know who I am or anything about me? Kindly tell me what my horsepower goal is. Thanks.


no offense dude but you are comparing a cam that WILL NEVER BE MADE to one thats available right now. So technically the franklin one is the best, well unless some one is keen to test it against the 184c

chales obviously knows his stuff, and i would have liked to see what his cam could do, but he said its NOT going to happen and people are still up his arse like a rat down a hole
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2009-06-17 21:31:33
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f*cking cam threads. Same sh1t different day. Somehow yet again it turned from a 20v/n1 cam thread to a why should I buy franklin cams when they don't have dyno proof thread
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