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2009-02-27 06:45:56
#281
Originally Posted by kesi24
.Now Jamie I see you and few others trying to prove power makes less and power flywheel. Super cowboy proved you wrong because both are same in his sheets.


No ones trying to prove anything. I posted the sheets just to show what the dyno reads. You tell me where I was proving something. I dont know, nor care whether there is a difference between flywheel or power. I made 4 pulls on the dyno, thats it.

I have too many other things to worry about then how much power a "VE" makes, yes its fun but not that serious. When my motor is done we can go through the same process, everyone can critique and say what they think the car should or did make. At the end of the day, I just dont care.

Like I said before, all my sheets are saved on cowboys computer, have him post them if you like.

You guys have fun
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2009-02-27 07:20:42
#282
Originally Posted by kesi24
IST thing I will never write this much again
2nd This post got more hits than a hooker in hunts point lol

I don’t care about HP.I care about ¼ mile times and traps.
I’m no tuner I don’t know much on how to tune, I know more hands on, I know how to build something fast that’s it. I notice a lot of member act like they know how to make serious power but they really don’t have a clue.

This build was not to prove who has more Horse power it was a simple build and we got good results. All the man did was post the numbers he got on the dyno, we didn’t mess with the numbers in ayway.Some member said he didn’t build the motor, I don’t know of any member who bore their own block. The motor was sent to a machine shop in CT where it was bored 1MM over. Like every builder it was sent to a MACHINE SHOP.JR got back block and him and myself put it together in 2 days. We worked hard all night to get it running and for the customer to get his car turned around quickly. Now many might like him or not that’s not my concern but the lies I just can’t take. I was there and I busted my ass all night to get that thing running with jr.We put it in it fired up we hit the dyno with less than 200 miles on the motor and made what it did.

Now the dyno ,I truly know that dyna packs read higher than JETS like I said,Andreas have a good point and it could be a glitch ,agree with him or not he he’s not flaming just posting thing he findings. I can’t get mad at that man for that, in my opinion he has a good point as Steza.Now Jamie I see you and few others trying to prove power makes less and power flywheel. Super cowboy proved you wrong because both are same in his sheets. The 1st run was 210 hp and torque was in 150 ranges. Tuned it made more power and 168 ft now I’m not a smart guy but I know horsepower gain is gain don’t matter pack jet mustang dynamics dynos that’s cowboys point we gain alot by tuning. You guys coming on here like we setup the dyno to glitch ect all we know is we ran it and we look and tune accordingly .I have known super cowboy six or so years we put together some sick setups for ve’s before alot of you guys been in the picture .Indirectly or directly if you like us or not you are benefiting from our findings. Now I said this before and I say it again 99% of you guys are stock in 80’s that the cam gear setting +5-5 business and bin file sharing makes me laugh .STOP AND TUNE YOU OWN CAR IT WONT WORK THE SAME even if its exact build.
All you guys are waiting for cam’s, begging and begging and then they make kelfords which is an good cam and fs4 and guess what? No one wants to try them .Why they waiting for dre or snicker ,supercowboy or anyone to test first.I just sit back and just watch .Then when you tell someone made for a built motor they put it in anyways on a stock VE and it loses 20-30whp now it’s not a good cam.
I test differently than others this is my opinion on R&D.Some builds fail some work, I for one can say I blew like 6 VE’s. JR probably blew up more. A person who does R&D who never blew up anything and R&D nothing but himself. I am not referring to head flowing or intake flow numbers ECT, real world testing. Now people never post they blow up a motor but from what I learned I can tell you what gasket is junk which one is good which one can hold what power and not by he say she say but by testing .We tested stock VE how much nitrous it can take stock how much HP on boost till it fail pistons rod’s .Tested 15:1 16:1 compression to 8:5:1 VE pistons. Tried it all we put in a lot of work that people are not aware of.Supercowboy gained so much vast knowledge from my old 200sx .Lots of things we do he think is crazy and works some don’t.

Now to car the car was running 12.8 since 2005 when I had it trapping 103-105 range. A few will remember that few might call bull**** fine. I’m not here to amuse or prove anything but to post few finding what we gained.Jr got the car ran it ran 13’s first day got it then headed down to 12’s .We played with it more mad less power with some headers more with some we tried it all and we did some things ran 110 mph all motor .Posted slip because no one believed up and few member was there at the track in 07 or so can’t remember .Then all of a sudden he was spraying so as you can see you can never win. The Funny thing is that motor is still running in a se-r in Yonkers .The guy is not a member but it’s still a beast and I will say it will crack anyone ass on this forum in 1/4 mile built or stock. A member posted before saying” said he seen nitrous “on the green car”, **** you think dre is the nos hoe? WE THE PIMP (jk dre lol).DID he ever sprayed the car HELL YEA but it didn’t runs 13 or 12 lol. All the Nitrous runs are for testing to see how it hold till it blows so if a customer wants a shot he can now what’s the max to put on till it blow its simple. Single fogger and direct port was tested and we still testing now on cp pistons to see how that will hold up.Now if I say that a VE with a 200 shot ran 10.XX everyone will say bull or it can’t be done so we just stay quiet and keep to our selves.
I saw a post someone said he bought Charles motor, yes this is correct. Who would buy a 6k motor for 4-3K? I would ****; I don’t know what the big deal is? What because he said he built it? How do you know what motor is in his car? Not jacking him he a pal but we changed that setup so much times .EVERY YEAR HE CHANGES THE SETUP FOR YOUR INFO! It’s a show car and if it has same setup ever year it cannot compete the next year while everyone has new parts.. Matter fact he changing the whole setup again for the 3rd time. DO yourself a favor and write down the block serial numbers see if the same motor and then you can act up!
Like it or not same people basing Jr he is the only one putting se-r on map on magazines’s, the streets and track while everyone else is just TALK. The NY same guys on the sideline coming to see him run 500+ hp se-r and civics’ ect with AN ALL motor se-r.So you can say what you want you have to give respect where it is due .He accomplished a lot for his age he may not be pleasant ,it’s just the New York competition attitude. Like I said NO OTHER SER guy will run a 500+ ser with all motor car for 10K.
We can post up a video of the car down the ¼ mile but that will start a fight again because some clown will say its spraying or no it can’t be done.Thats why all the knowledgeable guys don’t post we just sit back and watch you guys fight it out.
Before I go ill like to thank super cowboy for letting us use the dyno for hours and hours, Dre got to shout you out for bring our community with so much parts. Like it or not we wouldn’t have half the parts developed without you, I never thanked you for that. FL boy’s my good buddy Chris (donttazmebro) for all the testing you have been doing with the cams keep it up bro, also snickers (Charles) for pushing us here in NE and to the real VE KINGS down in PR payu, digitec and mackin keep rocking them ¼ mile times that’s all I really care about, time slips baby .Big up all the 10 sec street sentras you know who you are!!!Jr thanks for all the hours you put in with me and vise verses .So sideliners do your job and continue to sideline and watch how it’s done! Remember one thing people didn’t get to where they are overnight, they put in work!



BANG BANG BANG BULLET BULLET!!! Good talk right there bai! Y'all some bad mud@skuntz!
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2009-02-27 07:43:31
#283
Originally Posted by SR20GTi-R
No ones trying to prove anything. I posted the sheets just to show what the dyno reads. You tell me where I was proving something. I dont know, nor care whether there is a difference between flywheel or power. I made 4 pulls on the dyno, thats it.

I have too many other things to worry about then how much power a "VE" makes, yes its fun but not that serious. When my motor is done we can go through the same process, everyone can critique and say what they think the car should or did make. At the end of the day, I just dont care.

Like I said before, all my sheets are saved on cowboys computer, have him post them if you like.

You guys have fun


If you ask me, it seems like you were trying to prove the difference between flywheel & wheel hp on Page 7.

Also, I noticed you cut your sheet off, as soon at it peaks & drops. Isn't that on the same dyno that jun tuned the 200sx on? If that's the case, that mean's their is a good possibility that their could be a glitch on your sheet aswell? From the look of the dyno that's cut off! I guess that's why you cut it off! That means your right around 199hp! Since everyone else is averaging what they think other people make That's just IMO. But what do I know, back in the bushes for me...
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2009-02-27 07:46:23
#284
The reason I posted on this thread is not because I don't think that Kesi & Jun can do the business on the track, I have a lot of respect for what they've acheived.

My concern is that I've seen a few people give up on their very respectable engines because on the dyno they couldn't replicate what was talked about as expected from their build. It's kinda like the girl who goes down 4 dress sizes but still thinks she's fat because according to her scale she's only lost 5 pounds but her friend who has only gone down 2 dress sizes has lost 10 pounds according to theirs.

I didn't want some people on this forum to see 231whp & go make an engine of the same spec that doesn't make anywhere those numbers & quit, when realistically they have a competitive motor & should be happy with it.

Here's my build for those who asked:

Kelford stage 1 ported head flowing 272 intake & 191 exhaust @ .500 on standard valves. CNC valve job (head previously flowed 266 & 180). Head from 1997 Primera engine.
Kelford 184-C cams (previously Franklin Stage 4)
Kelford adjustable cam gears
Kelford springs
370cc injectors
8cw Crank
SR16VE pistons shaved 1mm to make just over 12.5 compression
Engine balanced
3.8kg Precision Engineering flywheel
Exedy 5 puk clutch
UR crank & waterpump pullies
Std intake coated with HPC thermal barrier coating, phenolic spacers.
Nismo FPR & guage
Walbro 255lh Fuel pump
Fujitsubo headers with secondaries shortened from 21" to 14"
3" exhaust bolted directly to Fuji secondaries with transition, Fuji single pipe removed.
3" alloy intake, Blox velocity stack
Bikirom ECU
4.1 gearbox with Nismo Mechanical LSD

Head prepped by Kelford Camtech, block prepped by Cook Motor Racing.

150.5kw on ST Hitec Dynapack 26 Feb 2009.
138.9kw on Torque Performance rolling road 11 October 2008

Previous Build with Franklin Stage 4
133.7kw on Torque Performance rolling road 05 May 2007

Highest number with N1 cams on previous build: 127kw on Torque Performance rolling road. Date unknown owned by Amdeman at that stage.
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2009-02-27 08:06:45
#285
Originally Posted by Clint
The reason I posted on this thread is not because I don't think that Kesi & Jun can do the business on the track, I have a lot of respect for what they've acheived.

My concern is that I've seen a few people give up on their very respectable engines because on the dyno they couldn't replicate what was talked about as expected from their build. It's kinda like the girl who goes down 4 dress sizes but still thinks she's fat because according to her scale she's only lost 5 pounds but her friend who has only gone down 2 dress sizes has lost 10 pounds according to theirs.

I didn't want some people on this forum to see 231whp & go make an engine of the same spec that doesn't make anywhere those numbers & quit, when realistically they have a competitive motor & should be happy with it.

Here's my build for those who asked:

Kelford stage 1 ported head flowing 272 intake & 191 exhaust @ .500 on standard valves. CNC valve job (head previously flowed 266 & 180). Head from 1997 Primera engine.
Kelford 184-C cams (previously Franklin Stage 4)
Kelford adjustable cam gears
Kelford springs
370cc injectors
8cw Crank
SR16VE pistons shaved 1mm to make just over 12.5 compression
Engine balanced
3.8kg Precision Engineering flywheel
Exedy 5 puk clutch
UR crank & waterpump pullies
Std intake coated with HPC thermal barrier coating, phenolic spacers.
Nismo FPR & guage
Walbro 255lh Fuel pump
Fujitsubo headers with secondaries shortened from 21" to 14"
3" exhaust bolted directly to Fuji secondaries with transition, Fuji single pipe removed.
3" alloy intake, Blox velocity stack
Bikirom ECU
4.1 gearbox with Nismo Mechanical LSD

Head prepped by Kelford Camtech, block prepped by Cook Motor Racing.

150.5kw on ST Hitec Dynapack 26 Feb 2009.
138.9kw on Torque Performance rolling road 11 October 2008

Previous Build with Franklin Stage 4
133.7kw on Torque Performance rolling road 05 May 2007

Highest number with N1 cams on previous build: 127kw on Torque Performance rolling road. Date unknown owned by Amdeman at that stage.




from those numbers you posted its obvious that our dynos read different. those numbers with N1 cams seem a bit low theres people in the states that make that with stock ve's
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2009-02-27 09:25:31
#286
Originally Posted by Clint


My concern is that I've seen a few people give up on their very respectable engines because on the dyno they couldn't replicate what was talked about as expected from their build. It's kinda like the girl who goes down 4 dress sizes but still thinks she's fat because according to her scale she's only lost 5 pounds but her friend who has only gone down 2 dress sizes has lost 10 pounds according to theirs.



I'll take the one that went down 4 sizes then.

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2009-02-27 12:06:36
#287
Originally Posted by streamway0
from those numbers you posted its obvious that our dynos read different. those numbers with N1 cams seem a bit low theres people in the states that make that with stock ve's


yes i believe they do, but most yanks will swear till they are black and blue they dont even though they make magical figures without the fueling mods to suit. They are good figures imo for down under dyno's (i put nz and aus about the same).

well done clint. was much changed between 2008 and 2009. or just different reading dyno's?

also referring to the dyno's posted in the original thread, there was one of the 4 that was just off 130 that didnt have the glitch, but as long as the car drives wicked who cares what the figure says, i just cant wait to see the car at the track.
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2009-02-27 13:50:24
#288
Originally Posted by Clint
My concern is that I've seen a few people give up on their very respectable engines because on the dyno they couldn't replicate what was talked about as expected from their build. It's kinda like the girl who goes down 4 dress sizes but still thinks she's fat because according to her scale she's only lost 5 pounds but her friend who has only gone down 2 dress sizes has lost 10 pounds according to theirs.

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Sorry for the poor grammar, I just reread what I posted and it was written in a hurry next time I should reread it before I post.

Now as for you Numbers, what I have notice is the same bolt on sr20ve with same modifications Varies so vastly. Some motors might make anywhere from 175 whp to 210 whp exact same modifications .Snicker pointed out to you guys he notice that they made three variances of the sr20ve, that being said why I think it varies so much. The Dyno numbers you posted, like other members said I think your dyno reads differently from ours. I don’t want anyone to think they can make power in a build maybe it does only make 200 whp? .Lets say you made 130kw on n1 cam's and 150kw with kelfords that a 20 kw gain don't matter what that's the point im trying to get across.Clint keep up the good work and hopefully we can find someone else to slap together another build to compare power on the same dyno so we can learn something .Have a good one buddy BTW I need some kelfords
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2009-02-27 15:47:28
#289
Originally Posted by kesi24

Before I go ill like to thank super cowboy for letting us use the dyno for hours and hours, Dre got to shout you out for bring our community with so much parts. Like it or not we wouldn’t have half the parts developed without you, I never thanked you for that. FL boy’s my good buddy Chris (donttazmebro) for all the testing you have been doing with the cams keep it up bro, also snickers (Charles) for pushing us here in NE and to the real VE KINGS down in PR payu, digitec and mackin keep rocking them ¼ mile times that’s all I really care about, time slips baby .Big up all the 10 sec street sentras you know who you are!!!Jr thanks for all the hours you put in with me and vise verses .So sideliners do your job and continue to sideline and watch how it’s done! Remember one thing people didn’t get to where they are overnight, they put in work!


Oh snap I got a shout out!!!

you guys in nyc always know how to make quick cars. While im chasing dyno queen numbers you guys chase 9's all motor.

I know it's frowned upon but if people could see those street racing video's they would understand how nyc goes hard every night. Keep it up!
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2009-02-27 16:11:16
#290
^I know about the NYC runs. It's not forum happy material, but they go HARD! "Yo lock it up kid"!
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