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2009-02-25 16:15:56
#211
Originally Posted by Setzer
You won't find anything, and if you are smart you would catch on from that.



Haha you think I'm ****ting? Contrary to forum knowledge throwing a 4-1 and a 3" on a VE is not groundbreaking. Guess what packs I made it on too...


^Dude you sound so blah in your post. Maybe it's coffee, or lack of. I will take in consideration that you are not to fond of JUN and this is the reason for your IDGAF replies in this thread. I would be happy with making 200WHP with a all motor daily driven VE. I'm not in the business of trying to build a VE to compete with K motors right now. Nissan would have to put a hand in new technology to give us a boost on that. I'm smart and I know you don't have to have 3" on a all motor SR to make power The options of a 4-1 is not as easy going in the SR community like honda.
2009-02-25 16:24:35
#212
Originally Posted by MAYIMBEZ
221...not bad just drop in sum eneos synthetic(i was just on youtube) and pick up another 6-8whp


LMAO!
2009-02-25 16:29:52
#213
Quote: by MR-4Door-SR20DE: I would be happy with making 200WHP with a all motor daily driven VE. I'm not in the business of trying to build a VE to compete with K motors right now. ...............we think alike man. I'm just gonna try to break 200whp with mines i'll be all smiles.
2009-02-25 16:31:53
#214
Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DE
^Dude you sound so blah in your post. Maybe it's coffee, or lack of. I will take in consideration that you are not to fond of JUN and this is the reason for your IDGAF replies in this thread. I would be happy with making 200WHP with a all motor daily driven VE. I'm not in the business of trying to build a VE to compete with K motors right now. Nissan would have to put a hand in new technology to give us a boost on that. I'm smart and I know you don't have to have 3" on a all motor SR to make power The options of a 4-1 is not as easy going in the SR community like honda.


So blah? Do I have to spell it out for you? Why the hell would Nisssan have to give us a hand? What is this new technology they have to put forth? You're smart so why ask about the n1 mani in the first place? I guess Nissan didnt give you the tech right there.

Anybody with half a brain cell can make 200whp.
2009-02-25 16:33:51
#215
Originally Posted by DEAD
LMAO!


lol might be bullshyt but here are the links.

YouTube - Eneos vs Other Synthetic Oil on an Evo X
YouTube - Nippon Oil ENEOS Dyno Testing PowerTV
2009-02-25 16:44:08
#216
LMAO, that is like the oil analysis and shear testing by amsoil.....oh and the tests were sponsored by Amsoil..also they dont state what the other oil was. On a average dyno there will be enough variables to generate different numbers which is the point of this whole thread.
2009-02-25 16:45:40
#217
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2009-02-25 16:49:11
#218
my boy sylar doing what he does best. break it down bro
2009-02-25 16:51:53
#219
A big problem with Dynapacks is that they can not and will not take into effect the rolling resistance and power loss from the wheels. The other is that because the Dynapac measures TQ output and has to convert to HP, there is calculation error there that can be off.

A dyno can only be as accurate as it is calibrated to do so. It is VERY VERY easy to mess something up and get high numbers and not know it. the biggest problem is where the IAT sensor is placed. Most of the time it is getting false heat from the computer, monitor or the sun.

About 2 months ago I went around to about 5 dyno's around the area and dyno'd my 99% bone stock RSX-S. Dynojets, dynapacks you name it. All the Dynojets SAE were within 3whp of each other at 176-178whp and 130tq. I'm sure if i measured tire temps and pressures and made sure they were equal, then they would all be the same.

The first dynapack I went to, the first pull was 192whp, and the second 199whp... thats over 20whp gain SAE TO SAE. Then we put it on standard to see the "uncorrected" numbers and it dropped to 187whp. That means that it is seeing super high air temps or humidity or something else. I did have the "glitch" that all dynapacks do from time to time but i knew about it so i just did another run to get rid of it.

All in all the dynapack 4000 and the 2000 both were 7-8% higher SAE to SAE than a dynojet was. And that was nearly a direct comparison between them.

Another thing to back this up is that my friends 1995 EG hatch with a K24 in it was making 328whp on a dynapack 4000 and that was with "the glitch" at the track he was only running 11.5 @ 116mph.

My friend/ business partner, was running 325whp on a dynojet in a 2400lb car but he was consistently pulling well over 120mph with 3 whp less BUT 300lbs more? same trans, same gear ratios, same slicks. They redyno'd on a dynojet and lost almost 30whp. from 328 to 299 just that easy, then it was easy to see why their car was slower mph than the heavier one.

It is possible to correect a Dynapack to read the same as a dynojet, or within about 1-2% which is good, but not all can be done this way.

Dynapacks are awesome for tuning because you can load the car up and tune cell by cell, row by row. Dynojets are better and more accurate run to run to get the same readings over and over. I did 47 runs on 2 dynapacks never turning the car off ( on each pack) and i NEVER got a consistent run back to back where as on the dynojet i did 4 runs back to back non stop in a row and got a 1whp varriation.

I know a lot of people prefer dynapack numbers, but it is too easy to get hyped up and then go to the track and be dissapointed.

Another thing i've noticed about sr20ve motor setups is that most, and almost all of them with great setups "200whp+" setups all make 200whp at almost exactly 7000rpm. 6900-7100 on average. donttazmebro's car makes it at about 6300rpm or so which is about 10% sooner and oh look, thats 10% more displacement.

The dyno that Jun posted was making 200whp at about 6300rpm so either it had a stroker crank in it, or like i was thinking, the numbers were dynapack so you need to lower by 7-8% to correct. and when you do so (after removing the glitch pyramid) you get about 205whp DYNOJET and now you are making 200whp @ 7000rpm give or take. Just something i've noticed with nearly ALL good VVL setups.

2009-02-25 16:54:03
#220
Originally Posted by Setzer
So blah? Do I have to spell it out for you? Why the hell would Nisssan have to give us a hand? What is this new technology they have to put forth? You're smart so why ask about the n1 mani in the first place? I guess Nissan didnt give you the tech right there.

Anybody with half a brain cell can make 200whp.


^Man you don't have to spell out nothing for me. I asked a simple question and that was it. You digging to much. Forget I ever asked. I already stated that I'm still doing my research as I make my DE to VE crossover. It's not all about power for me. I like to know what parts interchange and such. The new technology I was speaking of would be a new motor that would compete with the K. I asked you about the N1 because I don't have any experience with them as of right now. Don't try to use my VE question to try and give a overall view of my intelligence. That is weak. I will make 200WHP on my VE when the time comes.

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