I dunno what kind of VE's you turbo guys are running but I can safely say a lot of ve will give most of the T25 (at least the ones I've seen)a run for there money : )
Even though a turbo v.s. n/a car shouldn't be matched up, just shows the real power of VE that it can even be compared (ALL MOTOR) to a turbo car, I don't see ga16's or sr20de's being matched up.........
and I know damn well if these all motor ve guys slap that nice det block under there hood that it would be over VE-T > DE-T all day long