Thread: SR20VE 4-2-1 "budget" header

Never I dont make headers for living jejejeje...

But I think its not fair to sell parts based on claims that are not real period.. Or if you have a better design why not share it.. If you still are going to make profit on it... And a good satisfied customer its the best promotion you can get... But a couple of unsatisfied ones its worst..
I was one of the ones that bought a header based on claims too remember back in the days when the Gen 6 came out I was one that got them jejeje and the price was very similar. Believe me If I were in the N/A game I would pay someone to build me a nice header....

you know no one is allowed to bash ppl in there for sale threads how come its ok here. just let the dynos speak for themselves. there are some nice gains out there, dont let a couple sub par examples ruin it for everyone else.

i think you are right on with this. with stock cams i think the budget 4-2-1 would probably be optimal, but for the guys out there with N1s and diff intake manifolds this header i think is far from optimal. yea its cheap but for anyhting but a stock cam, stock IM ve i think your much better going with the shorter 4-1 headers.

ok so dont flame me for this, its kinda bench racing but here goes.

this 4-2-1 is supposed to be very simmilar in power to a fuji. well my good friend tested my custom 4-1 which is very close to charles' race 4-1 and it gained 10whp. his car was fully tuned for the fuji and we just bolted mine on. his car has N1 cams... i think it goes to show that this header is ideal for low-mid range power and really not all that on a higher rev motor where peak power is above 7k

makes good business sense to limit the power of the budget header, so that more people buy the more expensive versions.
If i could do it all again i'd look at getting a custom header made locally, and pocket the extra $1000.

will be interested after everyone gets their header, dyno's, and we count how many are happy with the header vs those that arent.

nxxer : theres a reason why its called the sr20ve budget header, and why its in the VVL forum...

I know but originaly he made this for a stock de not to say it won't work on a ve. I think that in most cases the further you get from this the less impressive it will be. if you follow NA drag racing you will see that they retune there header's for every change in the motor, especially when were talking about changing the peak rpm and engine flow (ex. intake manifold,cams,exh.)

any how point being results may vary.

hmmmmm

What?
I wish Snickers would chime in and verify this.
I thought this header was more VE specific,but will work on a DE.Thats why you didnt have to mod the ports on a VE.
That was my understanding when I got it.
It seems like if you had a DE it would be silly to spend that kind of $ on a custom header when you could get an ssac,and cams for the price,with WAY more gain.I would have kept my ssac if I still had a DE.
I would bet 80% or more of the headers were purchased by VE guys.
Also,I thouught it was dynoed on a couple VE first and then was tried on a DE after that .Maybe after 70 pages of BS I have gotten confused,but I am gonna go back and look again.

It amazes me how there were almost 30 sold in the first buy and the second buy is going strong,despite the 50 posts by lonewolf,and others bashing the part...lol

ok flame on....

Lonewolf...I hate to see that you seem to have wasted money on this,and I totally understand .However,I dont think its necessary to post all over everywhere multiple times over that you are unhappy.You even have your own thread about you losses with 3" exhaust.
One of the first posts by snickers says that motors putting down over 200 hp will need to go to the 4-1 header.Sounds like your xforce header is pretty good,and you should have just ponied up the extra for the 4-1 or something else in order to make gains on YOUR setup.
My goals are only 200 whp so this is why I went with this header,otherwise I would get the best money could buy and go for the gusto.
Hope you find a good home for your header,and we appreciate your findings.Hope you find something that does give you the #s you are looking for.

the header will be staying where it is, impossible to sell here in australia since i'm the only one in the country with one, and it didnt perform any better than a cheaper header available here.

I havent bagged the header, simply responded to others stating that its the bomb, when its not correct in all cases. I honestly expect we may see more of the same results, and we may see more going the other way.

As for ponying up for the 4-1 header, paying that amount for a header is silly unless you are building your motor. Your goal is 200whp, so is mine, and the header did squat to assist with that goal.
I'm still yet to see a single dyno graph not provided by snickers showing gains over other headers?
Besides Macakin (another who didnt gain peak hp), all i see are posts of "it looks/sounds/feels good", out of 29 headers in the first group buy.

What i want to avoid is a member potentially coming accross these threads, hearing people saying "wow" over this header, and expecting to gain power. Its not like a set of N1 cams where its been proven on multiple setups, over a long period of time in every car.

This is my last post on the matter in this thread, unless directly queried by someone else in regards to the header.

Good luck to anyone else that bought one, I'll wait with baited breath to see others back to back dyno tests, be glad to see you all make good power.

I don't want to get in the middle of all the fighting..but I think since lonewolf actually bought one of the headers that he is entitled to his own personal opinion on the header. There is no way a product will evolve unless there are negatives about it, in my eyes. I would like to ask lonewolf what type of changes would you make to it to improve apon it. Maybe we all will learn something from him maybe we would not, who knows.