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Thread: How much WHP has been done on a Boosted STOCK SR20VE??

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2008-10-30 23:24:41
#31
Originally Posted by ca18
hmm i am going to speculate here, but the reason i think what really kills the torque down low is the 6.6mm ex cam, so say you switch at 5k a de with a 10mm lift cam is going to make more from around 3k-5k.The other being the 48deg of overlap once you hit high lobe, so this means you really need to rev it to make power in a forced fed induction situation.

However in saying that i feel there is a really good solution (although i havnt tested this first hand yet)



as you can see here, the problem with taking out overlap on the high lobe is that the low lobes have no overlap so you create a siltation where the intake and ex are closed.

however if you set up your solenoid so that the ex lobe is always on high, then get some cam gears and retard intake 10deg and advance ex 10deg (obviously fine tune this on the dyno to your engine) all of a sudden you have 0 deg overlap on the low lobes and 28 deg over lap on the high lobes, which is the dame amount as s4's if i am not mistaken.

so this will give you a 224 8.4in and 268 10.3ex low with a 264 10.7in and 268 10.3ex high. In short a similar set up to the vet but with more duration and the vet smashes the det in torque and torque delivery. Peak torque before 3k from memory

i think this set up would be well suited to your turbo, and are you running standard manifold?

however i would swap the blocks and heads round, so put the vet head on the det block, i am not familiar with the bluebird motor all that well, but to my knowledge its not like the gtir? the studs are the same as the rwd det?


That sounds like a very interesting plan right there. And thats where the VVL will kill over a Vtec engine. haha. That could very very well work with great results. I think Coheed should be the first to jump onto trying this out or someone with a build coming up
2008-10-30 23:53:23
#32
Originally Posted by ca18
hmm i am going to speculate here, but the reason i think what really kills the torque down low is the 6.6mm ex cam, so say you switch at 5k a de with a 10mm lift cam is going to make more from around 3k-5k.The other being the 48deg of overlap once you hit high lobe, so this means you really need to rev it to make power in a forced fed induction situation.

However in saying that i feel there is a really good solution (although i havnt tested this first hand yet)



as you can see here, the problem with taking out overlap on the high lobe is that the low lobes have no overlap so you create a siltation where the intake and ex are closed.

however if you set up your solenoid so that the ex lobe is always on high, then get some cam gears and retard intake 10deg and advance ex 10deg (obviously fine tune this on the dyno to your engine) all of a sudden you have 0 deg overlap on the low lobes and 28 deg over lap on the high lobes, which is the dame amount as s4's if i am not mistaken.

so this will give you a 224 8.4in and 268 10.3ex low with a 264 10.7in and 268 10.3ex high. In short a similar set up to the vet but with more duration and the vet smashes the det in torque and torque delivery. Peak torque before 3k from memory

i think this set up would be well suited to your turbo, and are you running standard manifold?

however i would swap the blocks and heads round, so put the vet head on the det block, i am not familiar with the bluebird motor all that well, but to my knowledge its not like the gtir? the studs are the same as the rwd det?


I think that sounds like a fantastic idea
Would there be room piston to valve clearance to advance and retard the cams that much or would you need deeper valve notches?
2008-10-30 23:56:25
#33
there shouldnt be any problems if your retarding the intake and advancing the exhaust.
2008-10-31 11:08:59
#34
I always thought VET guys only activate the Intake cam and leave the exhaust cam on low lobe all the time.

As for the suggestion above with leaving the ex cam on high all the time, won't it be an issue at low rpm, given that there needs to be a certain oil pressure to keep the cams on high lobe. The factory vvl activation criteria use not only rpm but also temperatures.
2008-10-31 11:30:01
#35
^^^ i am not doubting what you are saying here, but when you first start you car up, your oil pressure is higher, so when your car is cold your oil pressure is higher.

And yes you are right vet's are on low lobe...but low ex has 6 deg of overlap and 11.3mm lift

Maybe nissan use the temperature as a fail safe to create reliability, so dimwits dont go reving the **** out of cold engines

i know of people that have had their cars on high lobe at idle, so i dont see it being too much of a problem, it doent take that much oil pressure to switch your cams. But imput from others would be goodon this matter
2008-10-31 11:55:25
#36
CA18 check out this rwd setup Nissansilvia.com -> OVRLRD - SR22VET - Hardtuned.net
2008-11-01 19:04:04
#37
^^^yeah killa car knew of it a long time ago, spoke to the guy who helped build it a bit. very insightful

sorry if it doesnt make sense but just got back from a mates wedding so i have had a few jugs of beer, and a lot of campaign..oh and some heavy spirits
2008-11-04 03:04:04
#38
good intercooler (custom with modine core)
meth injection or water
that should handle the compression issue.
2008-11-04 03:34:53
#39
Originally Posted by jjkamikaze
good intercooler (custom with modine core)
meth injection or water
that should handle the compression issue.


Good point. I really think keeping intake air temps down is one of the key's to handling this high compression problem. So a very high quality intercooler, and a turbo large enough to keep things cool at your desired boost level should work well. It won't prove to be the BEST turbo setup as you might have to go larger the you really need, but at least you have the turbo to go much higher when you want to change up the internals down the road.

Dudeman
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