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Thread: Why I tune to 12.0:1 A/F ratio (0.82 lambda) and why you should too. (all welcome)

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2009-03-31 01:17:54
#61
Originally Posted by ashtonsser
i was running a 12.3-5:1 when i had my t25, s4 cam setup on 8psi it was powerful enough to run a 13.0@110 on street tires. But i will say upping the boost on the t25 over 12psi and adding the added heat and backpressure which also keeps heat in the cylinders did not end well at all for the motor.

So yeah many people told me i needed to be 11.3:1-11.6:1 to be optimum on pump gas. With race fuel you can go into the upper 11's. My setup now is held steady at 11.8:1 or so accross the board on 110 octane race fuel. I had no detonation no misfires no melting plugs and you know what ill stay right there where im at cuz i know the tune is good. Ive had bad experiences with running leaner than 11.8:1 and i wont do it again, Dont even say its was a timing issue, Yes it was an issue with overboosting but it was also an issue of being too lean.

This is one of those circumstances where when its running soo strong you know something is gonna go wrong. With volumetric efficiency in an engine comes heat with heat comes detonation. You can be less effecient and make less heat and be safe making a little bit less or you can push the limits which ive done several times and found out the hard way its not always best. And again to those in my other threads saying timing issue, no way, 13-14 deg base timing is plenty of leway. Its a plain and simple fact that i was being as efficient as possible but again with that comes problems. It leaves no room for error


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2009-03-31 04:13:11
#62
edited for sake of the thread, great chatting with you wnwright glad we can at least see eye to eye on some things.

Let the tuning thread continue, haha
2009-03-31 04:38:08
#63
I just want to say I am one of the ones that has motors lasting for years. Never had a failure except for a defective cp piston that cracked under the wrist pin in first 1k miles.

I run 16psi daily on pump 93 octane.
2009-03-31 04:52:17
#64
Originally Posted by wnwright
I just want to say I am one of the ones that has motors lasting for years. Never had a failure except for a defective cp piston that cracked under the wrist pin in first 1k miles.

I run 16psi daily on pump 93 octane.


again probably on a built motor, we all know aluminum disipates heat and does not for hotspots that would cause detonation near as easily as the stock cast pistons do. all my motors were bone stock internal motors other than a semi build which a collaped lifter took out. But took the pistons out of that after several runs at 18psi spike on a t25 holding 13psi which had previously detonated on a stock piston motor and i had no problems, The pistons i pulled out were perfect and had no sign of detonation. So again this is common info we all know. You are not gonna have the same reactions inside a built motor as a stock motor with cast pistons. Those cast pistons do not like lean a/f ratio's period. Built motors have no problems taking a little leaner conditions.
2009-03-31 04:55:46
#65
Stock RR motor... you know the ones with thin ring lands that everybody breaks

Several years and 40k miles later I took it apart to build a motor. Everything was fine with it when I tore it down
2009-04-02 12:13:53
#66
Originally Posted by Payu
Now you will learn why I and many others tune richer than 12.0:1 jejejeje....
Because you and others can't (or refuse to) control timing, don't understand timing, and don't understand fueling. We've been over this. Thanks though.

Originally Posted by Payu
I have never melted or closed the gap on spark plugs on my tunes
That's what happens when you don't make any power, stick to the proven formula and don't do anything new or adventurous.
2009-04-02 12:57:48
#67
Originally Posted by BenFenner
Because you and others can't (or refuse to) control timing, don't understand timing, and don't understand fueling. We've been over this. Thanks though.

That's what happens when you don't make any power, stick to the proven formula and don't do anything new or adventurous.

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I can tell that to you..... because I am making way more power than you do.....
And my car doesnt melt any plugs whatsoever and has been with the power level that I am for a while with the same cooper plugs jejejejeeje. Only thing I can say Its that my car has 200whp more than yours on pump gas and meth...... So now what??? just beacuse I dont write novels on the forums doesnt mean that I dont know what I am doing.. I have been on the other forum for a long time and I have been tuning SR20's for a while too.... And beleive I have proved a lot of different setups that I wanted too.. But I dont know anything jejejejejeje...
2009-04-02 13:23:02
#68
Payu, you seemed to have missed my point. If you follow the beaten path you won't have any trouble like I did. That was my point. I'm dealing with power output from simple components at low boost levels that no one else has seen before. I stupidly started with a timing map that everyone else uses. I'll get it sorted out.
2009-04-02 13:54:28
#69
You know what? I dont pay too much attention to Dyno numbers sou yours dont really impress me at alll... I know they are higher than most of the forum members that post here but that doesnt mean anything to me because I have seen cars with lower Dyno numbers from the average forum members here in PR that actually Run at the track and make much better numbers and trap speeds with the same setup and lower Dyno numbers. If i wanted just to show a Dynograph with big numbers I know a Dyno that I can go and It will give me really big numbers but i prefer to use the one that gives me the real numbers..
I wish i had a Dynograph of a car that i tuned with a bone stock Avenier motor putting down 308whp on a t25 ..... but that was on the Dyno I was talking before and there are videos of the car running on that power level... and the trap speeds were 111-112 if I remember correctly...
On the tuning part I have tried to run lean as 12.0 :1 on stock cast pistons with no luck with forged its a different story but i like how the engine reacts to more timing with richer afr's thats my only point ....
2009-04-02 14:14:08
#70
On that dyno you know that reads high, what did the torque output look like? On the 308 WHP T25 engine, what was your boost level and what was your peak torque?
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