Welcome to the SR20 Community Forum - The Dash.
Register
SR20 forum logo

Thread: MAF->MAP conversion with Tunercode?

+ Reply To Thread
Posts: 41-50 of 142
2010-12-31 19:52:25
#41
Originally Posted by JKTUNING
Honda map sensors are 1.75 bar, which equates to ~10.5 psi or so.

The most popular map sensors are the GM 3 bar, AEM 3.5 and 5 bar and for hondas, the Omni 3/4 bar sensors.

When choosing a map sensor for your car you just make sure that the max amount of boost pressure you want to run is less than the max amount of pressure that your map sensor can handle.

So choosing a 3 bar map sensor will allow for 2 bar of boost pressure (you have to subtract atmospheric pressure, which is 1 bar), this first 1 bar of pressure would be the vacuum portion of the map.

So knowing that, you can figure out the max boost pressure of a GM 3 bar map sensor to be

(2 bar * 14.5 psi) = ~29psi

**(1 bar = 14.5 psi)**

Which is MORE than what most people are going to run.


Does it matter that our motors usually pull about 20psi vacuum?? which is a little over 14.5psi. Or does that have absolutely nothing to do with it??
2010-12-31 20:12:55
#42
Yes, it would matter if the engine pulled more than 1 bar at idle or during engine braking, however I think you've confused inches of mercury with pounds per square inch. Last I checked our engines never really draw more than -0.8 bar at most which is equal to -23.6 in·Hg and -11.6 psi. Good question though.
2010-12-31 20:13:02
#43
Originally Posted by nsusammyeb
Does it matter that our motors usually pull about 20psi vacuum?? which is a little over 14.5psi. Or does that have absolutely nothing to do with it??


Vacuum is not measured in psi.
2010-12-31 20:17:04
#44
Originally Posted by nsusammyeb
Does it matter that our motors usually pull about 20psi vacuum?? which is a little over 14.5psi. Or does that have absolutely nothing to do with it??


They don't pull 20 PSI vacuum, they pull 20 in/hg vacuum.

If you wanted to convert the 20 in/hg to a unit of psi, it would be -9.8 psi.

The GM 3bar can read from about ~ 29 in/hg vacuum to 29psi of pressure.

You just need to get the units right, as your boost gauge has two different units for pressure and vacuum.
2010-12-31 20:26:50
#45
Exactly, in/hg and psi are totally different readings. I have my aem setup in kpa and with the car off your kpa reading will be 100 which is 1 bar, at idle your kpa is around 30-40 depending on your engines vac pull.

Dont get them confused. For most of us a gm 3 bar sensor is perfectly fine
2010-12-31 20:29:05
#46
Originally Posted by ashtonsser
with the car off your kpa reading will be 100 which is 1 bar
1 bar absolute. 0 bars relative. Man I hate relative pressures... That's why we love Pascals. They are always absolute. =D

Edit: I take that back. Pascal can be used relative too.
2010-12-31 20:37:55
#47
Originally Posted by Forced
i dont agree with hondas needing a lot of boost to make power that is completely wrong, if anything they need less boost to make the same power we are making.


Just basing that comment on my personal opinion, from personal experience. A buddy of mine in a stock bottom end LS/Vtec swap would need around 19psi of boost to achieve my power levels at 15psi when I had my car. We both had EL manifolds, he had a 3.5" TBE vs. my 3" TBE, and he had a 35R vs. my 30R. His setup was very well put together.

Just saying
2010-12-31 20:56:18
#48
Originally Posted by BenFenner
1 bar absolute. 0 bars relative. Man I hate relative pressures... That's why we love Pascals. They are always absolute. =D


lol, yeah gotta include the absolute and relative in there. haha Its easy to understand when you get the hang of it. Hell your the one that confirmed to me about the whole 1 bar absolute thing anyways. I kinda figured thats the way it worked but you confirmed it when we spoke.

Its easy though, people just overthink it.
2010-12-31 20:57:56
#49
Originally Posted by Cliff
Just basing that comment on my personal opinion, from personal experience. A buddy of mine in a stock bottom end LS/Vtec swap would need around 19psi of boost to achieve my power levels at 15psi when I had my car. We both had EL manifolds, he had a 3.5" TBE vs. my 3" TBE, and he had a 35R vs. my 30R. His setup was very well put together.

Just saying


I think that may just be from a lack of displacement. Especially for the torque numbers, lol. But most honda's ive seen boosted make pretty good power on lower boost levels.
2010-12-31 22:11:58
#50
Please take the Honda vs. Nissan discussion to another thread.

And Pascal is just another unit of pressure measurement that can be absolute or relative (gauge) pressure.

Thanks,
Dave
+ Reply To Thread
  • [Type to search users.]
  • Quick Reply
    Thread Information
    There are currently ? users browsing this thread. (? members & ? guests)
    StubUserName

    Back to top