Very true guys. I have in the past owned and right now I currently own a 2015 Civic Si sedan. Bone stock and absolutly love the car. I used to crack jokes about Honda's all the time too, (I've been in the SR20 game for 24 years now) but times have changed. I went to H-Day in Charlotte, NC last year and saw some of the fastest Honda's ever. It really made me change my outlook on those cars. Yes, of course there was some riced out crap there too and the high dollar "VIP" shit was just waaaaay over the top but the serious performance stuff was insane. I only wish they had something like this for Nissan. The turnout was in the hundreds!