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2008-03-21 23:49:39

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I just heard from Steve. He needs $145 each. The extra cost is to cover shipping his tools ahead of time. He no longer takes them as checked baggage since an airline lost them on one of his trips. Based on Jarrett's earlier calculations, that makes it $214 if we have five and $202.50 if we get six. I am willing to "eat" the Paypal fee if you pay me. This is a lot cheaper than driving to Colorado!! (or Virginia, or wherever else he has gone to do this.) The will be an accounting after this is over and a refund if we collect too much.

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2008-03-22 18:35:16

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Thanks for putting this together.

I am a 110% definite. Please add me to the list.

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2008-03-22 19:58:41

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We have room for two more. AztekSE-R I know might be in slot 5. Still waiting to hear back from him.

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2008-03-23 15:37:09

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I should be good to do this guys. I will start rounding up money!

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2008-03-23 22:26:26

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COME TO FLORIDA! 100% positive you'll get over 5.

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2008-03-23 22:51:52

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If someone wants, we have room for one more. More then likely the last chanse for Steve to come out this way for a while.

Originally Posted by Chill

COME TO FLORIDA! 100% positive you'll get over 5.

Come up to GA/TN, you will not be waiting a lifetime.

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2008-03-23 23:12:31

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i'm already plannin a trip up to the area, so im half tempted to do this. but why is changing the bend on the rear toe such a good thing (xcuse my n00bocity)

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I already told you not to trust people I know!

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That is very true.

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2008-03-24 00:54:25

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Originally Posted by Joekuh

i'm already plannin a trip up to the area, so im half tempted to do this. but why is changing the bend on the rear toe such a good thing (xcuse my n00bocity)

B14's (and 15's) come from the factory with about 1/4" toe in at the rear to make the cars understeer (push, if you're a NASCAR fan). Auto makers want the front end to break loose first so the normal driver will slow down when the front wheels lose traction and that prevents spinning and loss of control. If you never expect to do any SE-Rious driving, then the car should be fine. If, however, you want to autocross or run track days, the rear toe needs to be set to zero in order to help the car rotate and be more neutral in handling. There is lots of info on the other list about this. Maybe some of it has been copied over here. It will be a plus if you ever expect to sell your car to other enthusiasts. Come on anyway and meet some more Nissan guys.

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2008-03-24 03:20:26

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Too long of a drive. Trust me, I've made the drive.

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2008-03-24 03:42:18

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Originally Posted by Chill

Too long of a drive. Trust me, I've made the drive.

Yeah, I know. My lil' sis lives down there... I hate the drive. So I feel you man.

Originally Posted by Joekuh

i'm already plannin a trip up to the area, so im half tempted to do this. but why is changing the bend on the rear toe such a good thing (xcuse my n00bocity)

To add to what Old guy said and quote Steve directly:

Originally Posted by 98sr20ve

How to make your B14 handle properly!

I just wanted to share with everyone some of the stuff I have been learning about B14 suspension setup. I have know all along that the B14 is not going to respond to the same tuning as a B13 (because it just never did). After sinking tons of time, energy and money in my suspension I have learned that the most important thing to do to a B14 is get the rear beam bent to zero toe. It comes with ¼ inch of rear toe and that just makes the car handle like a pig in every corner. It understeers no matter what you do to it. Once you take that toe out it will be significantly better. The change is dramatic and until that is done you will not have a good handling car. The reason this is requires some visualization. Rear toe-in means that the rear tires are pointing toward the engine of the car/centerline of the car. When you turn the car into a corner most/all of the rear weight of the car shifts to the outside tire. This outside tire is pointed toward the corner and will do everything it can to follow the arc toward the corner due to that rear toe in. Now lets toe that rear tire “out” or the oppisite direction away from the engine/centerline of the car. Now when you turn the car into the corner the rear of the car will become loaded on the outside and that tire will try and take an outside track around the corner. In other words it will want to spin more readably. With a B14 rear beam the tires have minimal camber deflection/change under cornering and as a result the rear of the car is extremely stable/planted in a corner. You add that “toe in” and it is far to stable for competitive driving or even fun street driving. The b14 needs zero rear toe for properly handling of any sporting nature. Remember only about 5% of the b14’s were se-r’s and most are setup for the average person just going to work. I hope that helps people understand why a seemingly small change in alignment in the rear can make such a big difference in the way a car handles. Mike Kojima has stated on several occasions that with a Bent Rear Beam the B14 handles better on a roadcourse then a B13. After getting the beam bent you have some choices. All the discussion from this point forward assumes that you have a B14 with the Beam Bent to Zero toe.

Trust me, the man knows what he is talking about. Hope that helps bro.

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