Thread: Rules for Classifieds - discussion

@ebinkerd, can I ask you a question?

How come you never personally reported any of these threads to the forum staff?

See here is the problem, where does it say you cannot sell in the regional section. So the TOS (http://www.sr20-forum.com/tos.php) state that regional selling is allowed. In the classified discussion thread I found minimal mention of region selling. In fact as recent as 2014 was regional selling talked about in regard to bringing it back.

So here we have a mod mass locking/ deleting threads in regards to rules that I have not been able to locate, and then (in my eyes) trying to styme further discussion on the matter by moving it to page 9 of a stickied thread and deleting all context of a conversation in the aforementioned post.


"Purchase and Sell items at your own risk! The SR20-Forum cannot be liable for any issues that may arise. Please do your homework on that individual before purchasing.

Please check the Seller Blacklist and User Feedback section before buying or selling anything. If you have a doubt about a person, then post a new thread asking if anyone dealt with that individual in the past.

Please check the iTrader Rating for that individual on the SR20 Forum. This is temporary until a local iTrader system is setup here.

Bumping Your For Sale Thread - You are allowed to bump your thread only once a day.

Regional For Sale Items - You are allowed to post your for sale item only once in your regional section and no where else."

I have no reason to report any of these threads, they are not detrimental to how the site functions. The examples I used were to get a point across that the action you've taken are not necessary and will do more damage than good. And the Ban Hammer reference is for the excessive use of power.

@ebinkerd, you have made some very pertinent points. It is extremely confusing right now what is and isn't allowed with regard to posting classified ads in the regional sections. Bear with me, I had a larger reply written but I lost it...

The Terms of Service has been out of date for a long time. They were written in 2007 and have been on my TODO list to update for a long time (too long). I knew they were out of date when I looked at them last February, but I'd forgotten how far out of date they really were. That is my fault, and I apologize to everyone for that.
The Terms of Service do not reflect the current state of things, and the Rule For The Classifieds as of 2010 do prohibit posting outside of the classified sections. It was so clear and obvious to the administration and forum membership at the time, it seems that it never really made it into the rules clearly. The only hint of it in the rules is this: "Trades are subject to the same rules as the For Sale threads. If you have a trade post it in the For Sale section using the For Sale template."
That sort of hints at the state of things in 2010 when the rules got a major overhaul.

There is discussion in this thread that we can go back and read in 2010 that will make it clear that it was never meant for classified ads to be allowed in the regional sections after the changes.

However, I completely agree with you that the rules as written are fucked up on this matter. As such, I would not dream of holding any member to poorly written, confusing, and contradictory rules.
I thank you for bringing this to the staff's attention. I am going to go right now and un-delete the threads I deleted, and unlock the threads I locked in the regional sections.


Everyone, please bear with me while I get the rules in order. My plan is to reconcile the Terms of Service and Rules For The Classifieds to make it clear that, based off our discussions in 2010, classified ads in the regional sections are no longer allowed.
Since this really is a proper change of the rules, I would encourage everyone to voice their opinion on this matter. I know we hashed this out in 2010, but things are different now and we should do it again.

Better yet, I'll make a thread with a poll. Please stand by.

@ebinkerd, I want to apologize to you personally. You should not have had to go through all of this trouble just to get some clarity in this situation. The staff accepts full responsibility for the poor handling of this situation and I want to thank you sincerely for bringing this to our attention and pushing us to do things correctly. You shouldn't have had to do that. I'm sorry.

I stopped reporting stuff a while ago. I am sure lots of staffers are thankful for that. I saw nothing being done with the reports so I simply gave up. Beating a dead horse gets boring, unless your name is @Keo

I still do not think we have enough ACTIVE moderators. A list means nothing if there are two to three people using the forum, and I said using, not moderating. I don't have much more to add.

i would ban the whole forum if i was a Moderator

Seriously? I just reviewed your last 10 reported posts, and every one of them was looked at and actioned where appropriate. I speak for ALL the moderators when I say that we appreciated reported posts, and don't see it as any sort of burden. So crank those reports back up, and we'll get 'em done.



C

I have finished restoring/opening all of the recently deleted/closed threads (and even some that were deleted further in the past) and have notified all affected users to the state of things.

All of the restored For Sale threads (with the exception of maybe one) were lacking a lot of the information we require in a sale thread. I have notified the OPs that they will need to provide that information.
(Mind you, it is a lot easier to provide that info in the classified sections with the tools available there.)



I am going to begin the process of reconciling the rules regarding classified ads in the regional sections. It seems appropriate to poll the membership on this one.
Please vote in the poll: http://www.sr20-forum.com/server-news/77993-rules-regarding-classified-ads-regional-sections-need-reconciling-please-vote.html

Ten in a year is not shabby at all. Two in the 2015 calendar year, yep, I would say I scaled back a significant amount.

Hm, interesting. You should see how many I have reported in the past! Keep it going with posting more user information, this is fun!

EDIT: Is there a way I can view my prior reported posts to see if action was taken?

What's your point Kyle?

I replied to your contention that we haven't been acting on your reported posts.

C