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2011-04-17 10:40:24
#51
You can't compare JWT and Nistune. Their products are on different levels, but for a basic user that doesn't have a wideband and a laptop and doesn't want to learn about the tuning process, the functionality that Nistune offers over a JWT is wasted.
2011-04-17 15:26:24
#52
Originally Posted by lynchfourtwenty
agreed


Ok i got my burner, when do we start tuning lessons? Lol, i'm learning little by little as I dont have time to replace an engine if I mess something up.
2011-04-17 16:23:32
#53
Originally Posted by Vadim
I would honestly just make your own. As long as you keep your AFR's right the fuel table is correct. Copying the fuel table is pointless because the K value on OBDI is different then on OBDII.

Having an RT helps a ton in this case, or a chip burner.


You're killing me Vadim. I'm just saying that it would be nice to try out some of these 0bdI bins that have been floating around. I have already street tuned my rt, that has nothing to do with my statement that it would be nice to easily convert to obdII

I didn't remember the k value being different between the two, it's been a long time since I have messed with an obdI bin. I guess it's about time for me to dust the cobwebs off my laptop and start playing around with the rt again!
2011-04-17 16:34:04
#54
Originally Posted by Wayne
See all this is what bothers me.... Seem like a lot of work for something that I just don't have the know how to do on my own. I'm a person that learns from watching someone do this stuff. And now what worries me is the fact that if the fuel maps are not correct and all this I was reading about knocking and motor issues. I think I will just pass. And get the MAF that ECU is tuned for.

This whole obd1 and obd2 b.s pisses me off that no one seems to give a rats ass about obd2. When it's not that much of a difference. Once again... b14's get the shit end of the deal. And I refuse to pay out the ass for a JWT and Nistune... 500 bucks for an ecu to me is just a joke.


Wayne, do you not have a chip burner? If not, get one and you will be fine. There are plenty of obdII VE bins using the de maf for you to use.
2011-04-17 21:03:42
#55
Originally Posted by Wayne
See all this is what bothers me.... Seem like a lot of work for something that I just don't have the know how to do on my own. I'm a person that learns from watching someone do this stuff. And now what worries me is the fact that if the fuel maps are not correct and all this I was reading about knocking and motor issues. I think I will just pass. And get the MAF that ECU is tuned for.

This whole obd1 and obd2 b.s pisses me off that no one seems to give a rats ass about obd2. When it's not that much of a difference. Once again... b14's get the shit end of the deal. And I refuse to pay out the ass for a JWT and Nistune... 500 bucks for an ecu to me is just a joke.


That's how tuning is. If you can't or don't want to do it yourself you have to pay someone else. It's hard for us to spit out a tune that would work on every single setup we come up here on the forum without having access to those cars, dyno readings, or AFR's.

Now what MAF is your ECU tuned for? Talking about the DE maf?

People do care about OBDII. I personally liked OBDII tuning more then I'm liking OBDI. Easier to deal with AFR's at the very least.

If you don't want to tune the ECU yourself, then you have to get JWT. They are the only place that offers premade tunes that are guaranteed to work on your car.

Nistune is the same as Calum. You don't get a tune that is garantueed to work on your car. You get the software that helps you tune it a bit easier (pre built maf changers, injector changers, etc.) But that's the Nistune software not even the ECU. You can use Nistune software on your Calum ECU (aka a .bin is a .bin doesn't matter if it's for Calum or Nistune), you will need a Moats Chip Burner if you want to put new tunes onto the ecu.

Originally Posted by jer_760
You're killing me Vadim. I'm just saying that it would be nice to try out some of these 0bdI bins that have been floating around. I have already street tuned my rt, that has nothing to do with my statement that it would be nice to easily convert to obdII

I didn't remember the k value being different between the two, it's been a long time since I have messed with an obdI bin. I guess it's about time for me to dust the cobwebs off my laptop and start playing around with the rt again!


OBDII K value is in 3 digits (298 is stock). OBDI is in 5 digits (31206 is stock)

Well if you think about it there are only a few things you need to bring over from the B13 tune. Timing map is the primary one. Fuel map shouldn't matter as long as you tune it to 12.0:1 or lower for boost, and 13.0:1 or lower for NA.

Originally Posted by jer_760
Wayne, do you not have a chip burner? If not, get one and you will be fine. There are plenty of obdII VE bins using the de maf for you to use.


I don't see why people waste time with the VE MAF. E60 (A32 Maxima) is a lot better and easier to obtain.
2011-04-17 21:13:30
#56
Well Vad... I'm just going to go with a basic VE tune calum basic for now. I'm getting a good deal on the ECU but the only thing that I didn't want to change is the MAF from a DE to a VE or n60. Which now I will have to do seeing that it will be less of a pita now to get the right tune. Plus n60's are going pretty cheap now and that's what then calum I'm gettiing is already tuned for so it's just a little wireing and plug and play and I'm off.

So no big deal now.

Later... I will get a nistune and go from there. Just kinda not in my budget and wanted because I'm not going boost. But I do plan on getting a wideband soon anyways when I get around to it.

Thanx for the info tho... you know I always appreciate it.
2011-04-17 23:38:43
#57
Originally Posted by Vadim


I don't see why people waste time with the VE MAF. E60 (A32 Maxima) is a lot better and easier to obtain.


Where was the VE maf brought up, did I miss a post? What makes the e60 alot better than the VE maf just out of curiosity?

The reason I went with the VE maf a few years ago was the fact that it was a quick and easy upgrade, since it uses the same plug as the de maf on a in a b14 so no wiring.

The VE maf is also just as easy to find as an e60 maf. Plenty of xterras, frontiers and pathfinders in the yards. Although they are a bit more expensive being a later model car.
2011-04-18 00:20:17
#58
Originally Posted by Wayne
Well Vad... I'm just going to go with a basic VE tune calum basic for now. I'm getting a good deal on the ECU but the only thing that I didn't want to change is the MAF from a DE to a VE or n60. Which now I will have to do seeing that it will be less of a pita now to get the right tune. Plus n60's are going pretty cheap now and that's what then calum I'm gettiing is already tuned for so it's just a little wireing and plug and play and I'm off.

So no big deal now.

Later... I will get a nistune and go from there. Just kinda not in my budget and wanted because I'm not going boost. But I do plan on getting a wideband soon anyways when I get around to it.

Thanx for the info tho... you know I always appreciate it.


What tune is on the ECU that you are getting? I would honestly stick to DE maf. I had better luck with the DE MAF even boosted. But then again the VQ table I had for the E60 maf was off.

Changing injectors is easy, changing the timing is easy to, but changing the MAF can be a little tricky without a wideband. Thus it's best to find and use the right MAF tune .

As for Nistune, I would find a Calum RT or get a chip burner. Chip burner is your cheapest alternative now and works well, especially since you wont be tuning too much

Originally Posted by jer_760
Where was the VE maf brought up, did I miss a post? What makes the e60 alot better than the VE maf just out of curiosity?

The reason I went with the VE maf a few years ago was the fact that it was a quick and easy upgrade, since it uses the same plug as the de maf on a in a b14 so no wiring.

The VE maf is also just as easy to find as an e60 maf. Plenty of xterras, frontiers and pathfinders in the yards. Although they are a bit more expensive being a later model car.


Gah dyslexia kicking in again. Dunno why or where I saw VE maf . What's the code on the VE maf? I didn't know it was the same as some US Nissans.
2011-04-18 00:24:31
#59
whats the matter with nistune vadim?

its hella easy to use.. even changing mafs and injectors is a breeze, couple clicks an your good to go..

lets face it burning chips sucks.. they always fail at some point an need reburned an unless you get the dual emulators an all that mess it is a pain to make changes on the fly.. plus by the time you buy the basic ecu, extra chips, the burner, emulators ect your right back up there in the nistune price range..
2011-04-18 02:45:13
#60
I love the nistune software to tune with, but hardware....I'd choose the Calum RT over the nistune board any day.
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