Exhaust
Sorry guys ...
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
I have a kit ready to go but I need a guinea pig here in FL that is willing to do some test fitment for me .... anyone interested??
The kit for testing is a 2.5 with a magnaflow muffler.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
Want me to post a link on Gnet? Or are you going to?
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Man I cant keep track of all of these forums and sites ... It would be a great help if you could do that for me.
Ill try to have it up in the coming soon section of my site overkillengineeringmotorsports.com soon
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
I'll post the link and request a Florida P10 owner.
Done, I told em to hit you up here so you didnt have to hit up another forum, unless you want to .
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Cool ... what are they doing about intakes? How does the body differ from the Nissan platforms? I would love to make a CAI or WAI for these as well?
Any pics or dimensions?
This is what we are working on over there with Steve(superblackz)Feeler: Intake and Exhaust Kit - Page 4 - SR20 Forum
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Originally Posted by TeKKiE View Post
That's some good looking quality right there! I'm really liking how it looks!!!
I'm now anxious to see more products you come up with!
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
Since there were no P10/P11 chassis specific CAI we use the Hi-Port or Lo-Port Sentra ones. 91-93 HP, 94-02 LP.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
WEll if this one works out for Steve then we have one for both the hi and low port platforms. Right now I so have one developed for the low port b14 chassis. I will know shortly if I can use this on the b13. Then we will have an intake that can be used for the hi and lo port b13 and b14 cars ... sentra 200 nx whatever. Steve was just making the provisions for the fender hole and that should be it.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Thanks man .. it took a good month of testing to get a pipe bent that would not hit the brake lines but still have the right angle to meet up with the other section.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
Nice, lemme know if I can help out on Gnet.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Will do going to dinner be back on tomorrow.
One last thing ... so I am trying to get you guys and the guys on the other forum better prices. If this whole intake thing works what about a massive GB. If we did like 30 I could probably do them for a great price. I think it would be har to organize though.... just a thought
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Originally Posted by P10FTW View Post
I can do it. !991 P10. I'm in Miami.
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Originally Posted by HKS P10 GT View Post
blackwater would like this exhaust.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Looks like your site is saying that piping only is going to run us $244.99 for a 3" aluminized.
Unless that's with a muffler then there's going to be very few you'll sell when I can get piping for $150 from VRS and Go Fast Depot.
Go Fast Depot
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
That is not correct ... that kit you speak of is $200. I assume that does not include shipping or taxes.
Mine is $245 shipped to your door in the 3" aluminized. With shipping it probably works out to be the same price. Honestly, it doesnt make sense not to get the kit with the muffler, I only charge $135 more for a muffler that cost $135, plus I weld it on and weld on the hangers. I guess if you have a spare muffler lying around it makes sense.
I am not sure what it means by welding required but mine requires no welding unless you dont get a muffler, then that is up to you. Be aware that most mufflers do not come in a 2.5inlet diameter, most are 2.25.
The kits we have designed are fro those that dont want to spend the time trying to find a muffler shop that will do a good job, weld the muffler on straight and get the hangers in the right locations.
It is everybody choice in who they choose to buy from. I guarantee that our quality will meet or exceed your expectations as well as keep the funds right here in the forum.
You guys are smart, you know what it cost to make something like this, you can see we dont have much profit in these, this is just an item we are offering so you can see the quality of work we provide and that we are honest.
Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by Serban View Post
Looks pretty identical to a VRS catback. Are you trying to reverse engineer this too?
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Sounds great let me see what I can work out. Ill get back to you soon.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Lets compare apples to apples 3" Aluminized P10 Exhaust.
Yours is $244.99 shipped for 3" Aluminized P10 Exhaust piping kit.
VRS is $150 + $28 for shipping. $178 shipped. They are forum supporters as well.
$245 - $178 = $67
Take the $67 bucks plus like $5-10 more and get a Magnaflow 11229 muffler that fits exceptionally well and you have a 3" exhaust for about the same price as your exhaust piping shipped.
Again. I think your price needs work to sell a few more of your product when there are competing companies offering just about the same product for less.
Either that or tell us why your kit is way better and justifies the extra money.
I'm all for entertaining the idea of a new product, but from what I can see, your product is practically the same for $67 bucks more.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
My apologies I added the ss option on for them. Yeah that seems to be a great deal. I cant touch that price unless I get a GB of 10 where I could beat that.
Funny though because my full kit is $305 shipped compared to $320 + at least $28 shipped (2.5" kit). So im about $43 cheaper!
I see they are a little cheaper on their SS (they are $66 extra and I am $75) but I only charge $60 for a magnaflow resonator where they charge $100. So as a kit I think I am competitive?
We cant win them all... hopefully those looking for exhaust systems will explore their options and buy based on their requirements.
BTW what options would you like on the exhaust that you think would make them better. We focused our efforts on CAT length, ease of install (ball joints, flared flanges, etc?) and an ideal location for the axle over section on the solid rear axle cars.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Well, if your kit pricing is cheaper, whats your shipped price on a 3" aluminized exhaust with that muffler I wanted (Magnaflow 11229) all welded up with hangers and everything? I know I'll have to spend something to get it welded up from a local guy here, so I might as well entertain the thought of looking into a setup that is allready welded too. If your pricing is decent on a 100% bolt in kit, maybe that would be a good way to earn other forum members business.
Another thing you could do that would set your kit apart is have an option in your ordering process to have an extended section of pipe that bolts right up to the header instead of a shorter one that would keep the cat or require a test pipe. Alot of members here would pay a hair more to have all one section to delete the cat.
==][={}=][========= exhaust with cat or test pipe
==][============== extended section to bolt up to header/downpipe
Something like that. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Vadim View Post
Instead of making it longer for the cat, I would include a test pipe for like $20 more. I don't have a cat, but if I will be required to get one, then I would love to be able to just bolt it up instead of having to cut the exhaust, then weld a new flange, etc.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
This is no problem, I can probably fix this for no additional cost since my exhaust is pieced together differently. Ill be back tomorrow with some options.
Thanks for being understanding and helpful.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
I was just saying, having it be an option. For him to use another foot of pipe would be no problem whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Vadim View Post
Haha true , but which ever way is more convenient to the buyer
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Originally Posted by TheRealNighthog View Post
:roflcopter:
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Originally Posted by Serban View Post
I'm glad someone saw his thread on the other forum where he wanted someone to send him a Chuck header so he can replicate it and sell cheaper.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
That sounds like an easy fix. See because we designed the kit as a straight section off the cat we are able to just add length to the end of the pipe. What I can do it offer a test pipe option that is a piece of pipe that is about a foot longer and flared on one end so that it fits together with the other pipe. The additional cost will include the flared pipe and a clamp.
Are you needing a bung on this for the 02?
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I know Miami Muffler stuff when I see it. I see it. I have been dealing with Miami Muffler for about 20 years.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Thats cool, ask Joe (happynole) we dont deny we work with other suppliers. We work closely with them to make the systems we need.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
So you dont want a tip on your muffler? ill have to make some calls and ill get back to you.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
So in which way do you work closely with them. Explain.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
They build a kit, we test for fitment and issues, like the axle over issue and correct it to make a better product. We also develop brand new kits such as the NX. Satisfied?
i dont get it, Im getting kits made for cheaper and you are complaining. Give me a break if you dont want to buy then dont, but dont try and make this something it isnt. We all know the prices of things so we can all see that there is no profit in these.
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Originally Posted by Serban View Post
Are you kidding? VRS has had kits for all these cars available for quite a few years. Thank Andreas for that one. You're not getting anything new made, or cheaper for that.
If you want to sell their exhaust kits through your company, by all means, but don't make it sound like you're the one building, or coming up with them, when all you're doing is selling something that's already available.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Not true, we have worked for months to modify systems, change angles, offer different mufflers and whole new kits like the NX; please dont question how many times Ive been under the car to take measurements or pictures to optimize a design.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Yeah I know.
My NX2000 has a VRS Exhaust on there. I went down there myself and had them put on a 3inch exhaust. It fits fine and works great. I picked out a 3 inch Magnaflow muffler corner in, center out. Fit perfect. I know it was because of your doing.
I will be talking to Miguel in a few seconds about your involvment in his designs.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Who's Miguel?? I dont even know Miami muffler bud. Are you implying that I re-sell VRS exhaust?
Well???? Why dont you tell us what you found out??
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Originally Posted by Serban View Post
So first you say you work closely with them, now you say you dont even know Miami Muffler?
I said that looks like a VRS exhaust system, because I have the exact same one (minus that style muffler) on my car. That is the exact same muffler that comes on the VRS system though
And just in case you weren't aware, VRS is Miami Muffler.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Come on ... do me right ...
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Please
They have been doing exhaust with cats and no cats like that as long as I have k nown them. They can not build anything like that on a car.
They can sell it to you for race only applications. So what you do with it after you buy it is your business. Calling that your idea is so much sh!t
You are full of it.
Are the guy also trying to copy Charles Dundons header.
Yeah .........
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
So basically they told you that I dont work with them and instead of being a man and admitting it you try and insult me. Good try ... I accept you apology.
Now get your panties out of the bunch their in, grow up and move on.
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Originally Posted by Forced Compression View Post
i know you guys are in the buisness but why are you guys bashing him? hes offering something very similar but different just let him live and sell his products
if i knew there was a kit that bolted up that i could buy for a lil more than a vrs i would buy it
and i have a vrs kit but its sitting because i havent had time
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Do you right, you need to go to Miami Beach for that......
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
I see this conversation is over ^^
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Everyone know you are a lying your A$$ off.
Miguel will be calling me back in a sec as he was working under a car.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Man I really wish you would record the call so we can all hear what kind of idiot you are. Tell him my name is Brian with Overkillengineeringmotorsports, let me know what other information you need.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I just finish talking to Miguel.
He said you are full of ****.
I posed every thing you have said here in this thread to him and everything is bull****.
Aint that funny.
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We have designed and made all of our exhausts.
No one helps us or works with us to design our systems.
Andreas you know you are the one who brought in the 300zx, 300ZX TT, B13 SER, B14 SER and NX2000 for design and test fittment.
I can tell you this I have in no way helped Miami Muffler design any exhaust more than just Miguel asking me to drop of a car so that he can make an exhaust for a jig.
You see I am very good friends with the man and have been doing business with him for about 20 years as a customer first and then as a business whole saler. I can bring a few people who are on this forum right now to back up my claims.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
I dont know Miguel and I dont know anyone at VRS. So what are you talking about??
I never said I worked with them ... so thanks for proving my point that I dont try and resell their kits.
Wow! How many times do we need to go back and forth to get this trough to you. I NEVER SAID I WORKED WITH VRS OR MIAMI MUFFLER!! If you want I can call you to discuss.
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Originally Posted by snickers View Post
hrmmmm
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
So you are telling me that you have not said you work with them in this thread VRS-Miami Muffler.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
YouTube - Fedor Arlovski(SPOILER)
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Originally Posted by snickers View Post
OK, so you say you work with them, and then you dont? wtf?
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
No bro ... I said other suppliers not Miami muffler. Just ask that guy Miguel. I have never bought anything from him. I dont even know him. Seriously!
What else do you want?!!
once again why would I spend my time and money to send Joe(happynole) a kit that is already out there? That doesn't even make sense. I'm even giving it to him for a ridiculous price after is is all said and done. Now why would i do something like that and how could i be in business if I sold his kits for less money. That would mean I loose money every time. Come on ...
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
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Originally Posted by hachee1 View Post
How much would 3" stainless piping be with out muffler, flanges, hangers,or ball joint...just piping?
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Im just around $300 bu tthat is with all hardware minus the muffler. I currently dont have them made without the hardware. Let me check and Ill get back to you.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Why is it that the VRS pricing is not logical? they charge $25 more for a 3" option on just the piping but for the kit they charge $66. And for ss they charge $50 on the piping and $90 on the kit. What changes from the piping kit to the full kits? i though it was only the muffler that was being added???
Like I said that piping price is awesome ... but if you are going to be adding a muffler then mine is a better buy.
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Originally Posted by hachee1 View Post
I already have a 3" stainless oval/stock shaped muffler, and I'm a certified welder, so I can add/change anything on the piping as I see fit. I'm just checking your price vs. making my own exhaust.
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Originally Posted by snickers View Post
I dont get all this competition. People will go elsewhere to buy something to save $1 and when they have a problem with something they are suprised and confused. Its like the SSAC header. They crack, leak, sometimes dont fit and people complain about it like they just spend $2000 on it.
I make 3" mild steel and stainless exhaust but I dont advertise it because of threads like this. People only want to buy the cheapest. I offer to the customer on how they want something built and built to their specs, not how they have to buy it from someone blowing them out only as is.
People always ask me why i dont build 3" exhausts and kits... I do but i just dont offer them at chinease knockoff pricing.
On the other forum when you started talking about "reverse engineering" one of my headers, I was going to jump on there but after 9 pages of everyone bashing you about copying it i'm sure you got it through your head.
You talked about redesigning it to make it better, but i'm sure you dont know much about header design and engineering to "make it better" do you even know what the stepped megaphone header was designed for? do you know the best setup for the VE motors? what about N1 cams? If you want to make a cheap header for everyone, then why dont you start buying the SSAC headers from china and start selling them for $100 and call it the redesigned chuck header. for $100 i'm sure you will sell a lot of those at $25 below the competition....
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
I should have an answer for you shortly, I will PM you the details.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DE View Post
$25 more for a 3" option vs what? I have bought a piping kit from them and the $200 dollar SS 3" is the best deal I've seen. It comes with the hardware as well.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
No complaints there that is a killer deal. I was just saying it doesnt make sense ... they charge $25 more on the piping only kit and $66 more in the full kit. Shouldn't it be the same price increase?? If so they would blow everyone out of the water and not even make it possible for competition.
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Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DE View Post
So your 3" SS piping kit is more than $200? Are you saying THEY, as in comparing to you/your kits? You still didn't answer the question. Again, there piping kit comes with hardware.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
No I cannot beat that price on the piping kits but my full kit is cheaper overall. the amounts I was speaking of are the amounts that they charge in addition to the base $125 price on the piping only kit and the full kits. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by blackwater32 View Post
The extra cost is probably due to the labor for welding it together along with the muffler piece.
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Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DE View Post
That's what I was thinking. The flanges are welded on to the muffler as well ready to go.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Well you know better than most that it is very difficult to find competent exhaust shops and getting it all done in one shot is sometimes more convenient.
I think our full kit pricing is quite competitive and I hope to get some of these out there to prove it.
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Originally Posted by hachee1 View Post
If I were to send you 3" titanium tubing, could you bend it for me, and if so, how much? Just putting that out there, as I really want titanium, but stainless is my 2nd choice.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Ill have to get back to you on bothe of the questions you have ... Ill pm you the details tomorrow. In the mean time can you om me the details of the titanium, age, length, for what app???
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I will answer the question, no you will not be able to mandrel bend titanium for him
Stick with choice 2 stainless steel.
I wonder how I could answer the question.
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Originally Posted by hachee1 View Post
Dre, is titanium a problem to bend? I can weld it, but I have not seen to many bent titanium tubes.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Its a crappy diagram, sorry :P Coming from the left is the header, then the ][={}=][ is the cat and flanges.
What I was thinking was to replace the cat with a longer section of piping instead of having multiple flanges and a test pipe. That might just be something you could offer as a customer configured option.
If that doesnt make sense, I'll try to find a pic. I know Ive seen one before.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
he has a pic of that right here.
he even said he came up with the design for that and let the muffler company make it for him.
The thing is the muffler company has been doing that for as long as I know them.
ah well
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Huh? Wheres the picture?
I must be missing something.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
it will look just like that but the straight pipe will be longer.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe if we were to superheat (hot form) the material and account for the springback (gall) we may be able to accomplish the task. I do not think it would be easy or cheep but I do think it can be done.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Like covert said, the reason for the section addition instead of the whole new piece would make it so you could go back and forth if needed. If you want to run the cat, bolt it up with out the extension piece and if you want to run cat delete just add in the pipe and remove the cat.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
keep selling those things and talk cat delete for street cars and see what the EPA does to you.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Dont worry Ill make sure I engrave for offroad use only on everything.
Bro what is your deal anyways ... Im not asking you to buy any of my products so I dont know why you keep commenting.
Why dont you stop filling up the thread with useless banter and let those with questions and comments talk?
You are filling up pages with your smack and it is making it quite annoying to navigate peoples questions.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
you know this should really be in the For sale section
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Seriously ... here is the question ... do you want me to just stop doing what I am doing by trying to build products for these platforms all together?
You let me know and when there are no other companies popping up to produce parts for our cars we can thank people like you for making it soo difficult.
We have put out a lot of time and money to try and make things happen.
But if not and you actually want to give us a chance then I suggest you stop all the hootin and hollering and just let us try and help build parts that people want for prices they can afford and have some input in the design. You let me know.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I know of few companies making exhausts for these cars and they are not going anywhere.
Where you thinking the same thing when you decided to get a Chalres Dundon header also to copy
I am 100% sure the VRS-Miami Muffler exhaust is cheaper
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Originally Posted by TeKKiE View Post
Dre, no offense...I'm not choosing sides...
Just let the man do as he wishes. If he wants to step into the market and make/re-make and sell something, so be it. I understand the whole Chuck header fiasco, in which he clearly stated he wanted to RE it to improve it. (Which I firmly disagree with)
The bottom line here is that there isn't a large market for our platform to begin with, so if he wants to go out of his way to design/re-design stuff, then let him! It doesn't make any difference what you say, because he's going to do it anyway. Just look at SSAC. I'm betting every member here could e-mail them and say they suck because they made a knock off of someone else's product, but in the end they'd end up being hypocrites because half of them here run the damn header anyway.
Hell he's not cheaper by a fair margin, nor is he more expensive. The point is that there's someone else now in the market that wants to fabricate something, and people are just shutting him out.
It's up to the consumer in the end to decide what they want, not up to the vendor or bystander that wouldn't buy anything from the vendor to begin with.
/.02
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I will be down south at VRS-Miami Muffler at 1 pm to get a few things. Whem I get down there I will get Miguel on the Computer and take a look at that exhaust you have pictured.
**** I mean does not Go Fast Depot not state they sell VRS-Miami Muffler Exhaust. They are a distributer for them. **** why not say I am a distributer for VRS and we are trying to get better exhausts made and past them on to you. The probelm is you have not contacted them to do so.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
You are right Tekkie but I dont see any ground breaking advances selling the same exhaust.
He know he has done nothing to add to the design of the VRS-Miami Muffler exhaust so he just need to admit it.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
You are a moron I dont deal with VRS. READ! THAT IS THE LAST TIME ILL SAY IT!
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
thats fine but its still a VRS exhasut
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Time to move this to the right section.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Bluebomber
Start a new thread in the for sale section vendors area and I will leave you alone. It is at the bottom of the for sale section.
You have 20 mins to move whatever you need over there then I will delete this thread and you can start fresh over there.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Lets just keep this one up to see what others have to say ... im curious. Ill start a new one as well but just amuse me. Just like Chris did to me with the header fiasco, lets just see what people have to say. Good or bad I wan to hear it, how about you??
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Originally Posted by TeKKiE View Post
I don't see any ground breaking advances for the FWD SR20, period. With VERY STRICT EXCEPTION to a few of the godfather FWD SR20 clan (Chuck, Mark, etc.), it's a pretty dead market.
Hell, the 94 POS Honda Del Sol I had still had more aftermarket support than you could shake a stick at. I found that very hard to swallow.
That's the problem. You have maybe 3 or 4 individuals in the entire marketplace that own the most shares, because their products have been backed by them for years. So of course no one will buy from the new guy, when he shows up at your doorstep with some product that looks nice, but you haven't seen in operaton.
Whole point I'm trying to make is that this guy actually came to his target audience to solicit ideas, and to get the community involved in something they wanted, themselves. So what if it looks like something else. That's always the end result anyway.
I guarantee you if no one made stealth headlights, someone out there would do it and then start turning sales up. It sure looks like a regular headlight, but has a black housing...
Anyhow, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If the guy does well, then congratulations. If not, then that's just what he will have to deal with in this community. Best of luck regardless! Hope he's ready for the cheapness that is the SR20 community in general. (No offense to any of you reading this, in any way.)
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
I have a kit ready to go but I need a guinea pig here in FL that is willing to do some test fitment for me .... anyone interested??
The kit for testing is a 2.5 with a magnaflow muffler.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
Want me to post a link on Gnet? Or are you going to?
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Man I cant keep track of all of these forums and sites ... It would be a great help if you could do that for me.
Ill try to have it up in the coming soon section of my site overkillengineeringmotorsports.com soon
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
I'll post the link and request a Florida P10 owner.
Done, I told em to hit you up here so you didnt have to hit up another forum, unless you want to .
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Cool ... what are they doing about intakes? How does the body differ from the Nissan platforms? I would love to make a CAI or WAI for these as well?
Any pics or dimensions?
This is what we are working on over there with Steve(superblackz)Feeler: Intake and Exhaust Kit - Page 4 - SR20 Forum
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Originally Posted by TeKKiE View Post
That's some good looking quality right there! I'm really liking how it looks!!!
I'm now anxious to see more products you come up with!
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
Since there were no P10/P11 chassis specific CAI we use the Hi-Port or Lo-Port Sentra ones. 91-93 HP, 94-02 LP.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
WEll if this one works out for Steve then we have one for both the hi and low port platforms. Right now I so have one developed for the low port b14 chassis. I will know shortly if I can use this on the b13. Then we will have an intake that can be used for the hi and lo port b13 and b14 cars ... sentra 200 nx whatever. Steve was just making the provisions for the fender hole and that should be it.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Thanks man .. it took a good month of testing to get a pipe bent that would not hit the brake lines but still have the right angle to meet up with the other section.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Dave View Post
Nice, lemme know if I can help out on Gnet.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Will do going to dinner be back on tomorrow.
One last thing ... so I am trying to get you guys and the guys on the other forum better prices. If this whole intake thing works what about a massive GB. If we did like 30 I could probably do them for a great price. I think it would be har to organize though.... just a thought
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Originally Posted by P10FTW View Post
I can do it. !991 P10. I'm in Miami.
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Originally Posted by HKS P10 GT View Post
blackwater would like this exhaust.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Looks like your site is saying that piping only is going to run us $244.99 for a 3" aluminized.
Unless that's with a muffler then there's going to be very few you'll sell when I can get piping for $150 from VRS and Go Fast Depot.
Go Fast Depot
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
That is not correct ... that kit you speak of is $200. I assume that does not include shipping or taxes.
Mine is $245 shipped to your door in the 3" aluminized. With shipping it probably works out to be the same price. Honestly, it doesnt make sense not to get the kit with the muffler, I only charge $135 more for a muffler that cost $135, plus I weld it on and weld on the hangers. I guess if you have a spare muffler lying around it makes sense.
I am not sure what it means by welding required but mine requires no welding unless you dont get a muffler, then that is up to you. Be aware that most mufflers do not come in a 2.5inlet diameter, most are 2.25.
The kits we have designed are fro those that dont want to spend the time trying to find a muffler shop that will do a good job, weld the muffler on straight and get the hangers in the right locations.
It is everybody choice in who they choose to buy from. I guarantee that our quality will meet or exceed your expectations as well as keep the funds right here in the forum.
You guys are smart, you know what it cost to make something like this, you can see we dont have much profit in these, this is just an item we are offering so you can see the quality of work we provide and that we are honest.
Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by Serban View Post
Looks pretty identical to a VRS catback. Are you trying to reverse engineer this too?
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Sounds great let me see what I can work out. Ill get back to you soon.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Lets compare apples to apples 3" Aluminized P10 Exhaust.
Yours is $244.99 shipped for 3" Aluminized P10 Exhaust piping kit.
VRS is $150 + $28 for shipping. $178 shipped. They are forum supporters as well.
$245 - $178 = $67
Take the $67 bucks plus like $5-10 more and get a Magnaflow 11229 muffler that fits exceptionally well and you have a 3" exhaust for about the same price as your exhaust piping shipped.
Again. I think your price needs work to sell a few more of your product when there are competing companies offering just about the same product for less.
Either that or tell us why your kit is way better and justifies the extra money.
I'm all for entertaining the idea of a new product, but from what I can see, your product is practically the same for $67 bucks more.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
My apologies I added the ss option on for them. Yeah that seems to be a great deal. I cant touch that price unless I get a GB of 10 where I could beat that.
Funny though because my full kit is $305 shipped compared to $320 + at least $28 shipped (2.5" kit). So im about $43 cheaper!
I see they are a little cheaper on their SS (they are $66 extra and I am $75) but I only charge $60 for a magnaflow resonator where they charge $100. So as a kit I think I am competitive?
We cant win them all... hopefully those looking for exhaust systems will explore their options and buy based on their requirements.
BTW what options would you like on the exhaust that you think would make them better. We focused our efforts on CAT length, ease of install (ball joints, flared flanges, etc?) and an ideal location for the axle over section on the solid rear axle cars.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Well, if your kit pricing is cheaper, whats your shipped price on a 3" aluminized exhaust with that muffler I wanted (Magnaflow 11229) all welded up with hangers and everything? I know I'll have to spend something to get it welded up from a local guy here, so I might as well entertain the thought of looking into a setup that is allready welded too. If your pricing is decent on a 100% bolt in kit, maybe that would be a good way to earn other forum members business.
Another thing you could do that would set your kit apart is have an option in your ordering process to have an extended section of pipe that bolts right up to the header instead of a shorter one that would keep the cat or require a test pipe. Alot of members here would pay a hair more to have all one section to delete the cat.
==][={}=][========= exhaust with cat or test pipe
==][============== extended section to bolt up to header/downpipe
Something like that. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by Vadim View Post
Instead of making it longer for the cat, I would include a test pipe for like $20 more. I don't have a cat, but if I will be required to get one, then I would love to be able to just bolt it up instead of having to cut the exhaust, then weld a new flange, etc.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
This is no problem, I can probably fix this for no additional cost since my exhaust is pieced together differently. Ill be back tomorrow with some options.
Thanks for being understanding and helpful.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
I was just saying, having it be an option. For him to use another foot of pipe would be no problem whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Vadim View Post
Haha true , but which ever way is more convenient to the buyer
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Originally Posted by TheRealNighthog View Post
:roflcopter:
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Originally Posted by Serban View Post
I'm glad someone saw his thread on the other forum where he wanted someone to send him a Chuck header so he can replicate it and sell cheaper.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
That sounds like an easy fix. See because we designed the kit as a straight section off the cat we are able to just add length to the end of the pipe. What I can do it offer a test pipe option that is a piece of pipe that is about a foot longer and flared on one end so that it fits together with the other pipe. The additional cost will include the flared pipe and a clamp.
Are you needing a bung on this for the 02?
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I know Miami Muffler stuff when I see it. I see it. I have been dealing with Miami Muffler for about 20 years.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Thats cool, ask Joe (happynole) we dont deny we work with other suppliers. We work closely with them to make the systems we need.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
So you dont want a tip on your muffler? ill have to make some calls and ill get back to you.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
So in which way do you work closely with them. Explain.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
They build a kit, we test for fitment and issues, like the axle over issue and correct it to make a better product. We also develop brand new kits such as the NX. Satisfied?
i dont get it, Im getting kits made for cheaper and you are complaining. Give me a break if you dont want to buy then dont, but dont try and make this something it isnt. We all know the prices of things so we can all see that there is no profit in these.
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Originally Posted by Serban View Post
Are you kidding? VRS has had kits for all these cars available for quite a few years. Thank Andreas for that one. You're not getting anything new made, or cheaper for that.
If you want to sell their exhaust kits through your company, by all means, but don't make it sound like you're the one building, or coming up with them, when all you're doing is selling something that's already available.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Not true, we have worked for months to modify systems, change angles, offer different mufflers and whole new kits like the NX; please dont question how many times Ive been under the car to take measurements or pictures to optimize a design.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Yeah I know.
My NX2000 has a VRS Exhaust on there. I went down there myself and had them put on a 3inch exhaust. It fits fine and works great. I picked out a 3 inch Magnaflow muffler corner in, center out. Fit perfect. I know it was because of your doing.
I will be talking to Miguel in a few seconds about your involvment in his designs.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Who's Miguel?? I dont even know Miami muffler bud. Are you implying that I re-sell VRS exhaust?
Well???? Why dont you tell us what you found out??
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Originally Posted by Serban View Post
So first you say you work closely with them, now you say you dont even know Miami Muffler?
I said that looks like a VRS exhaust system, because I have the exact same one (minus that style muffler) on my car. That is the exact same muffler that comes on the VRS system though
And just in case you weren't aware, VRS is Miami Muffler.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Come on ... do me right ...
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Please
They have been doing exhaust with cats and no cats like that as long as I have k nown them. They can not build anything like that on a car.
They can sell it to you for race only applications. So what you do with it after you buy it is your business. Calling that your idea is so much sh!t
You are full of it.
Are the guy also trying to copy Charles Dundons header.
Yeah .........
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
So basically they told you that I dont work with them and instead of being a man and admitting it you try and insult me. Good try ... I accept you apology.
Now get your panties out of the bunch their in, grow up and move on.
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Originally Posted by Forced Compression View Post
i know you guys are in the buisness but why are you guys bashing him? hes offering something very similar but different just let him live and sell his products
if i knew there was a kit that bolted up that i could buy for a lil more than a vrs i would buy it
and i have a vrs kit but its sitting because i havent had time
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Do you right, you need to go to Miami Beach for that......
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
I see this conversation is over ^^
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Everyone know you are a lying your A$$ off.
Miguel will be calling me back in a sec as he was working under a car.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Man I really wish you would record the call so we can all hear what kind of idiot you are. Tell him my name is Brian with Overkillengineeringmotorsports, let me know what other information you need.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I just finish talking to Miguel.
He said you are full of ****.
I posed every thing you have said here in this thread to him and everything is bull****.
Aint that funny.
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We have designed and made all of our exhausts.
No one helps us or works with us to design our systems.
Andreas you know you are the one who brought in the 300zx, 300ZX TT, B13 SER, B14 SER and NX2000 for design and test fittment.
I can tell you this I have in no way helped Miami Muffler design any exhaust more than just Miguel asking me to drop of a car so that he can make an exhaust for a jig.
You see I am very good friends with the man and have been doing business with him for about 20 years as a customer first and then as a business whole saler. I can bring a few people who are on this forum right now to back up my claims.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
I dont know Miguel and I dont know anyone at VRS. So what are you talking about??
I never said I worked with them ... so thanks for proving my point that I dont try and resell their kits.
Wow! How many times do we need to go back and forth to get this trough to you. I NEVER SAID I WORKED WITH VRS OR MIAMI MUFFLER!! If you want I can call you to discuss.
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Originally Posted by snickers View Post
hrmmmm
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
So you are telling me that you have not said you work with them in this thread VRS-Miami Muffler.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
YouTube - Fedor Arlovski(SPOILER)
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Originally Posted by snickers View Post
OK, so you say you work with them, and then you dont? wtf?
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
No bro ... I said other suppliers not Miami muffler. Just ask that guy Miguel. I have never bought anything from him. I dont even know him. Seriously!
What else do you want?!!
once again why would I spend my time and money to send Joe(happynole) a kit that is already out there? That doesn't even make sense. I'm even giving it to him for a ridiculous price after is is all said and done. Now why would i do something like that and how could i be in business if I sold his kits for less money. That would mean I loose money every time. Come on ...
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
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Originally Posted by hachee1 View Post
How much would 3" stainless piping be with out muffler, flanges, hangers,or ball joint...just piping?
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Im just around $300 bu tthat is with all hardware minus the muffler. I currently dont have them made without the hardware. Let me check and Ill get back to you.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Why is it that the VRS pricing is not logical? they charge $25 more for a 3" option on just the piping but for the kit they charge $66. And for ss they charge $50 on the piping and $90 on the kit. What changes from the piping kit to the full kits? i though it was only the muffler that was being added???
Like I said that piping price is awesome ... but if you are going to be adding a muffler then mine is a better buy.
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Originally Posted by hachee1 View Post
I already have a 3" stainless oval/stock shaped muffler, and I'm a certified welder, so I can add/change anything on the piping as I see fit. I'm just checking your price vs. making my own exhaust.
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Originally Posted by snickers View Post
I dont get all this competition. People will go elsewhere to buy something to save $1 and when they have a problem with something they are suprised and confused. Its like the SSAC header. They crack, leak, sometimes dont fit and people complain about it like they just spend $2000 on it.
I make 3" mild steel and stainless exhaust but I dont advertise it because of threads like this. People only want to buy the cheapest. I offer to the customer on how they want something built and built to their specs, not how they have to buy it from someone blowing them out only as is.
People always ask me why i dont build 3" exhausts and kits... I do but i just dont offer them at chinease knockoff pricing.
On the other forum when you started talking about "reverse engineering" one of my headers, I was going to jump on there but after 9 pages of everyone bashing you about copying it i'm sure you got it through your head.
You talked about redesigning it to make it better, but i'm sure you dont know much about header design and engineering to "make it better" do you even know what the stepped megaphone header was designed for? do you know the best setup for the VE motors? what about N1 cams? If you want to make a cheap header for everyone, then why dont you start buying the SSAC headers from china and start selling them for $100 and call it the redesigned chuck header. for $100 i'm sure you will sell a lot of those at $25 below the competition....
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
I should have an answer for you shortly, I will PM you the details.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DE View Post
$25 more for a 3" option vs what? I have bought a piping kit from them and the $200 dollar SS 3" is the best deal I've seen. It comes with the hardware as well.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
No complaints there that is a killer deal. I was just saying it doesnt make sense ... they charge $25 more on the piping only kit and $66 more in the full kit. Shouldn't it be the same price increase?? If so they would blow everyone out of the water and not even make it possible for competition.
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Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DE View Post
So your 3" SS piping kit is more than $200? Are you saying THEY, as in comparing to you/your kits? You still didn't answer the question. Again, there piping kit comes with hardware.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
No I cannot beat that price on the piping kits but my full kit is cheaper overall. the amounts I was speaking of are the amounts that they charge in addition to the base $125 price on the piping only kit and the full kits. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by blackwater32 View Post
The extra cost is probably due to the labor for welding it together along with the muffler piece.
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Originally Posted by MR-4Door-SR20DE View Post
That's what I was thinking. The flanges are welded on to the muffler as well ready to go.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Well you know better than most that it is very difficult to find competent exhaust shops and getting it all done in one shot is sometimes more convenient.
I think our full kit pricing is quite competitive and I hope to get some of these out there to prove it.
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Originally Posted by hachee1 View Post
If I were to send you 3" titanium tubing, could you bend it for me, and if so, how much? Just putting that out there, as I really want titanium, but stainless is my 2nd choice.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Ill have to get back to you on bothe of the questions you have ... Ill pm you the details tomorrow. In the mean time can you om me the details of the titanium, age, length, for what app???
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I will answer the question, no you will not be able to mandrel bend titanium for him
Stick with choice 2 stainless steel.
I wonder how I could answer the question.
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Originally Posted by hachee1 View Post
Dre, is titanium a problem to bend? I can weld it, but I have not seen to many bent titanium tubes.
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Its a crappy diagram, sorry :P Coming from the left is the header, then the ][={}=][ is the cat and flanges.
What I was thinking was to replace the cat with a longer section of piping instead of having multiple flanges and a test pipe. That might just be something you could offer as a customer configured option.
If that doesnt make sense, I'll try to find a pic. I know Ive seen one before.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
he has a pic of that right here.
he even said he came up with the design for that and let the muffler company make it for him.
The thing is the muffler company has been doing that for as long as I know them.
ah well
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Originally Posted by blairellis View Post
Huh? Wheres the picture?
I must be missing something.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
it will look just like that but the straight pipe will be longer.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe if we were to superheat (hot form) the material and account for the springback (gall) we may be able to accomplish the task. I do not think it would be easy or cheep but I do think it can be done.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Like covert said, the reason for the section addition instead of the whole new piece would make it so you could go back and forth if needed. If you want to run the cat, bolt it up with out the extension piece and if you want to run cat delete just add in the pipe and remove the cat.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
keep selling those things and talk cat delete for street cars and see what the EPA does to you.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Dont worry Ill make sure I engrave for offroad use only on everything.
Bro what is your deal anyways ... Im not asking you to buy any of my products so I dont know why you keep commenting.
Why dont you stop filling up the thread with useless banter and let those with questions and comments talk?
You are filling up pages with your smack and it is making it quite annoying to navigate peoples questions.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
you know this should really be in the For sale section
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Seriously ... here is the question ... do you want me to just stop doing what I am doing by trying to build products for these platforms all together?
You let me know and when there are no other companies popping up to produce parts for our cars we can thank people like you for making it soo difficult.
We have put out a lot of time and money to try and make things happen.
But if not and you actually want to give us a chance then I suggest you stop all the hootin and hollering and just let us try and help build parts that people want for prices they can afford and have some input in the design. You let me know.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I know of few companies making exhausts for these cars and they are not going anywhere.
Where you thinking the same thing when you decided to get a Chalres Dundon header also to copy
I am 100% sure the VRS-Miami Muffler exhaust is cheaper
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Originally Posted by TeKKiE View Post
Dre, no offense...I'm not choosing sides...
Just let the man do as he wishes. If he wants to step into the market and make/re-make and sell something, so be it. I understand the whole Chuck header fiasco, in which he clearly stated he wanted to RE it to improve it. (Which I firmly disagree with)
The bottom line here is that there isn't a large market for our platform to begin with, so if he wants to go out of his way to design/re-design stuff, then let him! It doesn't make any difference what you say, because he's going to do it anyway. Just look at SSAC. I'm betting every member here could e-mail them and say they suck because they made a knock off of someone else's product, but in the end they'd end up being hypocrites because half of them here run the damn header anyway.
Hell he's not cheaper by a fair margin, nor is he more expensive. The point is that there's someone else now in the market that wants to fabricate something, and people are just shutting him out.
It's up to the consumer in the end to decide what they want, not up to the vendor or bystander that wouldn't buy anything from the vendor to begin with.
/.02
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
I will be down south at VRS-Miami Muffler at 1 pm to get a few things. Whem I get down there I will get Miguel on the Computer and take a look at that exhaust you have pictured.
**** I mean does not Go Fast Depot not state they sell VRS-Miami Muffler Exhaust. They are a distributer for them. **** why not say I am a distributer for VRS and we are trying to get better exhausts made and past them on to you. The probelm is you have not contacted them to do so.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
You are right Tekkie but I dont see any ground breaking advances selling the same exhaust.
He know he has done nothing to add to the design of the VRS-Miami Muffler exhaust so he just need to admit it.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
You are a moron I dont deal with VRS. READ! THAT IS THE LAST TIME ILL SAY IT!
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
thats fine but its still a VRS exhasut
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Time to move this to the right section.
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Originally Posted by Andreas Miko View Post
Bluebomber
Start a new thread in the for sale section vendors area and I will leave you alone. It is at the bottom of the for sale section.
You have 20 mins to move whatever you need over there then I will delete this thread and you can start fresh over there.
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Originally Posted by bluebomber View Post
Lets just keep this one up to see what others have to say ... im curious. Ill start a new one as well but just amuse me. Just like Chris did to me with the header fiasco, lets just see what people have to say. Good or bad I wan to hear it, how about you??
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Originally Posted by TeKKiE View Post
I don't see any ground breaking advances for the FWD SR20, period. With VERY STRICT EXCEPTION to a few of the godfather FWD SR20 clan (Chuck, Mark, etc.), it's a pretty dead market.
Hell, the 94 POS Honda Del Sol I had still had more aftermarket support than you could shake a stick at. I found that very hard to swallow.
That's the problem. You have maybe 3 or 4 individuals in the entire marketplace that own the most shares, because their products have been backed by them for years. So of course no one will buy from the new guy, when he shows up at your doorstep with some product that looks nice, but you haven't seen in operaton.
Whole point I'm trying to make is that this guy actually came to his target audience to solicit ideas, and to get the community involved in something they wanted, themselves. So what if it looks like something else. That's always the end result anyway.
I guarantee you if no one made stealth headlights, someone out there would do it and then start turning sales up. It sure looks like a regular headlight, but has a black housing...
Anyhow, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If the guy does well, then congratulations. If not, then that's just what he will have to deal with in this community. Best of luck regardless! Hope he's ready for the cheapness that is the SR20 community in general. (No offense to any of you reading this, in any way.)
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