Thread: Final Ignition Value

What should the base idle timing (as per the ecu) for the tune you gave to @vqman for his VE be set to? His base idle timing is currently @ 5* as per the crank pulley.

-G

here are all the different ways i've been told to view the Final Ignition Value:











ok, so with all the different replies.. looks like the "data screen" and/or "data section" is mentioned 3 times.. i don't see that in the link you provided.. but will give it another go tonight after work.

anyway, what i'm trying to do is set the physical timing to what the ECU is expecting. I'm going to leave any extra tuning to a professional. I just wasn't sure what the ECU is expecting right now.. and I read from that link you gave me (read it last night before you sent it) that i need to find the Final Ignition Value. I don't see in that link that it says to use the data screen to find this.. we were looking all over the place for it.

Dude I told u how in plain easy engrish..

Maybe you should havr someone else worry about it cause your making something soo easy into a cluster fuck

We know how to get into timing mode, we are trying to figure out what the tune's base timing is configured off of so we can set physical timing correctly. It's currently set to 5* (crank timing).

I think I saw 15* in the logging/data screen last night when we had it in timing mode, but don't remember. Also, w/a VE, it's supposed to be at 5* on a stock ECU, so that had me confused. As I stated, 15* is way advanced (being 5* is stock), so I wanted to make sure the tune was expecting 15* before it was set as to not harm the engine due to over-advanced timing :/

-G

send me the file [email]lynchfourtwenty@hotmail.com[/email] i will do what i can ok, then from there u just set the timing via the dist like normal

the cluster fuck is the 4 different ways I was told to find the FINAL IGNITION VALUE. add your way, and its 5. Except you didn't even try to answer my question regarding the whereabouts of the FINAL IGNITION VALUE. You told me (in plain engrish) how to modify the base timing on the ECU via the maps and how to get into timing mode and then get out of timing mode. Where in my post did I ask how to do that?

We had the car at operating temp, then had it in timing mode last night via the software.. simple process. We set the timing to 15 degrees manually with a timing gun.. simple process.. but we were not sure what the values were in the ECU, because i couldn't find the "FINAL IGNITION VALUE". - which is all i was asking about in this thread. Who made this more complicated? you didn't even acknowledge the question with your answer.

Anyway, John sent me a tune.. other than setting up the cams to switch independently of each other with EGR output and AIV output.. i have no intentions of modifying anything on the tune at this time, I don't want to change anything in the MAP.. all i want to do is find what the MAP is set to.. and set physical timing to match for now.

Eventually i will have my ASP header, 3" exhaust, N1 cams, new 4-wire o2 sensor to ground it better and a wideband.. At that time, I will take it to a professional to tune it. Right now i just want to get timing set up to the tune John gave me.. and all I need to do that is to find the FINAL IGNITION VALUE.

I had two other guys who have both done a lot of work on cars, one has built several turbo SR20's and the instructions were not clear to any of us.

With this thread, and the one on Facebook, I was able to find out that the FINAL IGNITION VALUE can be found in the data screen, under logging.


I don't really care much about what you set it to. quite honest. I care about what the tune John sent me is set to. Hence looking as to where to find the FINAL IGNITION VALUE.

this post shows nothing about where to find the FINAL IGNITION VALUE.

get it? i was looking for the FINAL FUCKING IGNITION VALUE.

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gomba, don't send that ass-hat anything.

I don't have the tune to send anyways



Thanks.

-G

you know what, thats fine guys. i apologize for trying to help, im always helping newbs out an shit an getting pm'd all the time for advice, which i dont mind doing.

but fuck you vqman. gomba that wasn't directed towards you.

I explained it when I said: "When Set Idle/Timing Mode is enabled (SETUP/DIAGNOSTICS tab), IGN Map Value is set to the BASE IDLE IGNITION value and all trims are ignored." If you want to sync the CAS at 15º, put 15 in the "BASE IDLE IGNITION" box, enable Set Idle/Timing Mode, then adjust the CAS until the crank reads 15º with a timing light. The ECU (and you too, of course) now know that "15" in the timing tables means "fire the spark plug at 15º BTDC".

The "five different ways" all say that it's a logged value on the Data Screen. I also explained how NismotronicSA determines the value. Hope that helps!

Dave

Edit: Should have also said that it's called "Final IGN" on the Data Screen.