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2008-02-25 02:55:31
#61
here's a short summary of my jumbled thoughts:



Originally Posted by dirtbike.off-road.com
HOT PLUGS VS COLD PLUGS?

Just about everyone has heard that plugs have heat ratings, and are called ?hot" or ?cold" types. Some people think that means the plug either makes the engine run hot or cold, which is completely wrong.

The amount of heat a plug brings into an engine due to the electrical sparks is so small it's insignificant. The amount of heat a plug removes from an engine is also small.

Those ratings - "hot" and "cold" - mean simply this: a plug becomes very hot in an engine, so we say it's a hot-running plug, or just hot. Another plug doesn't reach such a high temperature, so we say it's a cold-running plug, or just cold.

The firing end of a hot plug reaches a higher temperature than a cold plug, in the same engine, under identical operating conditions. The metal shell of each plug will operate at very nearly the same temperature as the metal of the head itself, because the plugs are screwed into the head and there is a good path for heat flow between shell and head.

Heat gathered by the insulator nose tends to accumulate there, because the insulator material is not a very good conductor of heat. The path for heat flow is away from the insulator nose. Heat has to flow upwards along the nose until it reaches the place where the insulator is in mechanical contact with the shell.

From there, heat can flow into the shell, then to the metal of the engine.

If the path for heat flow is short and relatively easy, more heat will escape and the nose of the plug will tend to run cooler.

If the path for the heat flow is long and difficult, more heat will remain at the tip of the insulator and the plug will run hotter. The main difference between hot-running and cold-running plugs is the length of the insulator nose.

Those two electrodes also get hot. The center electrode gets hotter than the side electrode, because the center one loses heat to an insulator, whereas the side electrode loses heat directly to the metal shell of the plug.

Spark plugs are manufactured with different heat ratings, from very cold to very hot, so a suitable plug can be found for your engine, depending on what you need, based on your riding or driving conditions. Plugs with the same diameter and reach will have different lengths of the insulator nose section and different type numbers to indicate which runs hot and which runs colder.

These plugs are mechanically interchangeable, but will run at different operating temperatures in the same engine. Part of the tuning problem is to find a plug that survives in an engine.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PLUG IS TOO HOT?

It's easy to overheat a plug in an engine. A mixture that's too lean will do it, because the gasoline drawn into the firing chamber has a cooling effect. If there is not enough gasoline, there is not enough cooling.

Working the engine hard at slow speeds (such as running uphill in a deep sandwash) will do it, because the engine is generating a lot of heat but airflow for cooling is reduced by the slow speed of travel.

Using the wrong spark plug will also do it also. If you are not using the plug specified in your owner's - manual, you might have problems.

When a spark plug gets too hot, the insulator may boil and bubble On examination, it will be plain that it has been too hot. Also, the metal electrodes may melt away and disappear. If any of these bad things happen, that's good.

The worst result of a too-hot plug that fails-to destroy itself, is when it destroys the engine instead; this is called pre-ignition. If the tip of the plug becomes hot enough to ignite the fresh mixture being drawn into the cylinder, then the incoming mixture will start to burn without waiting for the spark to happen.

Ignition due to any hot spot in the cylinder begins before the proper time for ignition, so it is called pre-ignition. Anything in the combustion chamber which gets hot enough can cause pre-ignition, but typically the end of the spark plug is the cause. When the mixture is firing sooner than it should, that's like advancing the spark too much, and no matter what causes it, early ignition makes engines heat up, causing pre-ignition. Eventually, something melts, which comes under the heading of a bad thing.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PLUG IS TOO COLD?

You can install a plug which is too cold-running for the engine. Or you can have an engine that's running way too cool, such as riding ten miles downhill on a frosty morning in the mountains.

Whatever the cause, if the nose of the plug is not hot enough, it will gradually accumulate deposits, known as fouling. During normal engine operation, residue from the combustion process hits the insulator nose. This may include carbon, unburned fuel and oil, and chemical additives present in both fuel and oil.

If the insulator nose and electrodes are hot enough, the combustion deposits will be continuously burned off by the heat of the plug. The ideal situation is to have the deposits burned off as fast as they accumulate, so the insulator nose stays fairly clean and free of deposits.

If the deposits accumulate on the plug because it is not reaching a high enough temperature to burn them off, the gradual accumulation will eventually short out, or foul, the plug. The fouling is electrically conductive and forms a path along the insulator, which connects the center electrode to the metal shell of the plug.

The spark current will flow along the fouling path and will not jump across the spark gap . The engine stops running, but all you have lost is a spark plug. Fouling due to a too-cold plug is much better than pre-ignition due to a too-hot plug.
2008-02-25 02:59:44
#62
you could have just said that a colder plug transfers more heat into the head cooling chamber than a hotter plug. More heat transfer = colder plug.
2008-02-25 03:11:50
#63
Thanks for the info Justin!
2008-02-25 13:55:57
#64
Originally Posted by CovertRussian
Thanks for the info Justin!


NGK has some good technical info about spark plugs (theory, etc.), if you haven't yet been to their site.
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/techinfo/spark_plugs/techtips.asp?nav=31000&country=

Its well-written and worth a read...they address high performance applications as well-which I thought was cool.
2008-02-25 13:58:08
#65
Originally Posted by Coheed
you could have just said that a colder plug transfers more heat into the head cooling chamber than a hotter plug. More heat transfer = colder plug.


Yes-a spark plug is a heat exchanger, like your refrigerator or a heat pump.
2008-02-25 17:21:40
#66
^ great info
2008-03-12 00:46:51
#67
So I've been driving on the Iridiums and the Bosch's. So that I could get a power estimate and MPG estimates...

Ok so here are the rough results...

Constant Variables
Gas: Shell 93 Premium V-Power
Timing: 19* TDC
Mods: SSAC Header, JWT Pop Charger, 91 Intake Cam, 2.37 Catback with an Altima 2.5 Muffler.
Recent Upgrades: New radiator water temp sensor, new gas cap
Location: City Driving only
Ecu Reset after the plug has been installed

I drove the car for about 50 miles, all with shifting under or at 4k RPM. This would simulate regular City driving

Sonic Spark NGK Iridium BKR5EIX-11
Weather/Conditions: Dry 40*-50* F
Miles Driven: 56.3
Gallons Fueled: 2.936
MPG: 19.18

Bosch Platinum +2
Weather/Conditions: Dry 30*-50* F
Miles Driven: 51.1
Gallons Fueled: 2.544
MPG: 20.09

Ok so as you guys can see the Bosch +2 still got me better MPG's then the NGK's. I tell you my engine hates NGK's. I bet if I used my NGK BKR6E-11's would have like 18MPG.

Now since the Bosch +2 have two ground electrodes, they would give off a double spark, so Spark Plug indexing wouldn't matter as much as on the NGK's.

So I indexed my NGK's to face the intake valves, will see if this renders any gains

The black mark indicates the ground electrode.

Here is the initial setup:


Now I indexed them all:
2008-03-12 14:56:41
#68
Originally Posted by CovertRussian

Now since the Bosch +2 have two ground electrodes, they would give off a double spark, so Spark Plug indexing wouldn't matter as much as on the NGK's.


wrong. It will always go to one of the electrodes. I don't know why people don't understand that. electricity will not split into two sparks and travel to the two electrodes. They would have to be identical on a molecular level to even be plausible. pull one out and do a test crank, watch what happens. It will always go to the same electrode.


By the way, I've always indexed my plugs so the tip of the electrode is facing the intake manifold. All i've noticed is maybe a touch quicker starting.
2008-03-12 15:05:35
#69
Originally Posted by Dustin
wrong. It will always go to one of the electrodes. I don't know why people don't understand that. electricity will not split into two sparks and travel to the two electrodes. They would have to be identical on a molecular level to even be plausible. pull one out and do a test crank, watch what happens. It will always go to the same electrode.


By the way, I've always indexed my plugs so the tip of the electrode is facing the intake manifold. All i've noticed is maybe a touch quicker starting.


Thats what I figured was the case, but that was the only explanation that made sense to why the Bosch plugs are getting better gas mileage then the NGK's.

How to index your spark plugs, find the write up here
2008-03-12 21:44:28
#70
Originally Posted by CovertRussian
So I've been driving on the Iridiums and the Bosch's. So that I could get a power estimate and MPG estimates...

Ok so here are the rough results...

Constant Variables
Gas: Shell 93 Premium V-Power
Timing: 19* TDC
Mods: SSAC Header, JWT Pop Charger, 91 Intake Cam, 2.37 Catback with an Altima 2.5 Muffler.
Recent Upgrades: New radiator water temp sensor, new gas cap
Location: City Driving only
Ecu Reset after the plug has been installed

I drove the car for about 50 miles, all with shifting under or at 4k RPM. This would simulate regular City driving

Sonic Spark NGK Iridium BKR5EIX-11
Weather/Conditions: Dry 40*-50* F
Miles Driven: 56.3
Gallons Fueled: 2.936
MPG: 19.18

Bosch Platinum +2
Weather/Conditions: Dry 30*-50* F
Miles Driven: 51.1
Gallons Fueled: 2.544
MPG: 20.09

Ok so as you guys can see the Bosch +2 still got me better MPG's then the NGK's. I tell you my engine hates NGK's. I bet if I used my NGK BKR6E-11's would have like 18MPG.

Now since the Bosch +2 have two ground electrodes, they would give off a double spark, so Spark Plug indexing wouldn't matter as much as on the NGK's.

So I indexed my NGK's to face the intake valves, will see if this renders any gains


I hate to tell you this, but such numbers aren't really going to help. NGK are supposedly better. Unless you have a dyno and care to burn thru 3 tanks of gas per plug, you're probably not going to get any consistency in your numbers. Temperature, hills, traffic, barometric pressure, acceleration, route, etc will all make huge changes in your numbers.
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