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Auto/manual speed sensors NX1600 and Digital Cluster

Thread: Auto/manual speed sensors NX1600 and Digital Cluster

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2010-08-02 22:21:24
#71
Well I checked the two local salvage yards that I know of and neither of them had any NXs... I did ask about b15s since nx2000t28 said he used a 02 sentra 1.8 sensor but the one that had a sentra wouldn't sell me just the sensor without the transmission
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2010-08-02 22:30:46
#72
Ah, shoot. But did you try testing the cluster, as to see if the fuel problem is cluster related or not?
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2010-08-02 23:32:41
#73
I haven't. It's been hot as hell out here and I haven't had much time to mess with that due to work, and I'm getting overheating problems with AC on so I think I'm about to start throwing money at my cooling system D:
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2010-08-03 15:58:00
#74
I promised you an update, and here it is, get ready for a long read :P.

Originally Posted by M0J0

From: Sander Heikamp
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:57 PM
To: Contreras, Diana
Subject: Vehicle Speed Sensors



Hello, I've been searching for a particular vehicle speed sensor.

Here's the story: I'm swapping my analog gauge cluster for a digital one. The problem is, the speed sensor I'm using only gets me half the speed. Last weekend, I found out that there's 2 different sensors, one for use with the analog cluster, and one for the digital cluster. The digital one gives off twice the amount of pulses.

They are visually different as well, the digital one having a much thicker sensor.


Now, I've been comparing some sensors of various cars on your site, and I've came to the conclusion that you might be able to help me out.

To give you an example, here's the sensor for a Nissan NX1600 with an analog cluster (sorry for the big link):

Duralast/Vehicle Speed Sensor | Vehicle Speed Sensor | 1993 Nissan/Datsun NX1600 4 Cylinders E 1.6L SFI DOHC | AutoZone.com
Part Number SU4059

Notice the non-solid part on the right, and the thin (just a little over half) sensor-part on the left.


Compare this to the following sensor (of which I think is the sensor for an NX1600 with digital cluster) (again, sorry for the big link)

Duralast/Vehicle Speed Sensor | Vehicle Speed Sensor | 1992 Nissan/Datsun NX 4 Cylinders E 1.6L SFI DOHC | AutoZone.com

Part Number SU4058

The right part looks solid, and the left part is MUCH thicker.


Now, the sensor that I'm interested in, is the one for a 92 NX2000:

Duralast/Vehicle Speed Sensor | Vehicle Speed Sensor | 1992 Nissan/Datsun NX 4 Cylinders G 2.0L SFI DOHC | AutoZone.com

Part Number SU4055


That last one could be the one I'm looking for.


There's one thing though. I would like to have someone test the output/frequency of all three VSS'. As in pulses per revolution (counting just either positive or negative).

If I'm correct, the first sensor (SU4059) of which I provided the link should give only half the amount of pulses, when compared to the second one (SU4058). And I need to know if the last one (SU4055) nets the same amount of pulses per revolution as the SU4058 sensor. If that is the case, I'm gonna need a couple of those.

I'm located in The Netherlands, would that be a problem? And how much would they be, shipped and all? Do you accept PayPal?

I really hope you can help me, I'm getting desperate.

Sincerely,

Sander Heikamp


Originally Posted by Jim
From: [email]technical@wellsmfgcorp.com[/email]
To: [email]m_0_j_0@hotmail.com[/email]
CC: [email]dwagner@wellsmfgcorp.com[/email]; [email]jzochert@wellsmfgcorp.com[/email]; [email]mhicks@wellsmfgcorp.com[/email]; [email]phillip.waller@autozone.com[/email]
Subject: RE: Sensor
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:02:25 -0500

Sander,



The frequency output of these sensors is as follows;

SU4055: 8 Hz

SU4058: 16 Hz

SU4059: 16 Hz



If I may assist further please let me know, I will assist as best as possible.



Jim Gehl
ASE Master & L1 Certified
Technical Services Dept.
Wells Manufacturing L.P. Fond du Lac Wi. 54935
Phone: 1-800-558-9770 1-920-929-6257
email: [email]jgehl@wellsmfgcorp.com[/email]


Originally Posted by M0J0
From: Sander Heikamp [mailto:m_0_j_0@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:13 PM
To: [email]technical@wellsmfgcorp.com[/email]
Subject: RE: Sensor



Hello Jim,

Thanks for taking the time for this.

However, your findings don't make any sense to me. I don't mean to say that you did it wrong, you're the technical expert after all.

The thing is, I put a sensor similar to the SU4059 in the transmission, and the Digital Cluster gave me half the speed. When I changed it to the one that looks like the SU4058, it gave the correct speed.
That would mean the SU4059 should have half the output of an SU458, yet you measure them both at 16Hz... That's pretty confusing.


Now, I tried counting the pulses myself, using a multimeter.

I had the following sensors at my disposal (bear in mind, I identified these only by looking at the sensors!):

SU4059 (93 M/T NX1600) gave 8-ish pulses per revolution
SU4058 (92 M/T NX1600) gave 16-ish pulses per revolution

SU4060 (93 M/T NX2000 and Sentra SE-R) gave 8-ish pulses per revolution

SU4056 (92 A/T NX2000) gave 16-ish pulses per revolution

As the sensor part (the part that sticks out of the transmission) is thicker on both the 16 Hz 92 NX1600 M/T and 92 NX2000 A/T, you'd think that the frequency would be the same for the 92 NX2000 M/T, as it also has a thicker sensor...

Can you confirm that the SU4055 sensor is thicker than the SU4060? And whether there's a difference in frequency between both or not? Also, could you try and measure the frequency on the 92 A/T NX2000 sensor SU4056?

I'm sorry to ask this all from you, but it's an issue that needs to be resolved. Too many people have had trouble installing these clusters, and even though I don't have a credit card to buy these sensors myself (if it DID work out), it's good to know that the opportunity to get the right sensor is there.

Again, many thanks for your help, and I'm looking forward to your reply.

Sander Heikamp
The Netherlands


Originally Posted by Jim
From: [email]technical@wellsmfgcorp.com[/email]
To: [email]m_0_j_0@hotmail.com[/email]
Subject: RE: Sensor
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:27:02 -0500

Sander,



You are correct, my error…..The SU4059/4060 are small, they each have 8 pulses per revolution. The SU4055/4056/4058 are large head sensors they have 16 pulses. Sorry for the error.



Jim Gehl
ASE Master & L1 Certified
Technical Services Dept.
Wells Manufacturing L.P. Fond du Lac Wi. 54935
Phone: 1-800-558-9770 1-920-929-6257
email: [email]jgehl@wellsmfgcorp.com[/email]


Originally Posted by M0J0
Jim, you just made my day!

I'll mention your name on the forum and in the How-To thread I'll be writing. If you're interested why I had to put you through all the testing, let me know, and I'll make sure I'll pass you a link to said How To.

Thanks a million!

Sander Heikamp


And there you have it. The speed sensors that work with the Digital Clusters are the 91-92 speed sensors from both the NX1600 (for GA) and NX2000 (for SR).
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2010-08-03 16:20:44
#75
That is great news! Thanks on the info man!
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2010-08-03 16:30:17
#76
Yeah, now I only need to know if the 91-92 NXs came with a cable or electrical sensor (in Europe, they came with cable :S)...
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2010-08-03 21:00:01
#77
Sweeeet so the SU4055 is the one? Now where to get one... autozone wants 113 for it no way I'm paying that much... I just looked on rockauto.com though and they have a wholesaler closeout for 92 > nx > sr > electrical > speed sensor, it says standard trans but the picture looks like an auto sensor and there is no other info on the part really but it's only $37.79 and they have 12 left. Think it's worth a shot? Or do you know of somewhere to find it cheaper other than a salvage yard?

Originally Posted by M0J0
Yeah, now I only need to know if the 91-92 NXs came with a cable or electrical sensor (in Europe, they came with cable :S)...

I believe in the US, 91-94 NXs (needle or digital) and 93-94 SE-Rs used electrical sensors, 91-92 SE-Rs used cable sensors? Someone correct me if I'm wrong
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2010-08-03 21:53:47
#78
You could always try. I have an Auto sensor here, but apparently, the SR20DE and GA16DE auto sensors are almost, if not completely the same. And this sensor didn't fit the manual transmission in my SR20DE NX.

You could ask them to make a picture of the sensor that is mentioned there. Sometimes, pre-generated pics get mixed up. We have that on a Dutch parts web site as well (hell, we can even get the valve-cover gasket for the USDM GA16DE (EDM is different)).


Unfortunately, the GA16DS (carburetted) has ANOTHER sensor. It looks like an automatic sensor, with a centered axle, but with the length of a regular GA16DE sensor (auto sensor is smaller). Haven't found a solution there. Maybe devise a way to lengthen the axle? Anyone ever disassembled a speed sensor? There's a little pin in the housing, dunno what that accpmplishes, when removed...

EDIT: I'd say go for it, get that cheap sensor. I checked Beck Arnley, and they list 2 different part codes, auto and manual, but the use the same picture. If it's the wrong one, yuo could always ask your money back.
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2010-08-03 22:36:51
#79
Originally Posted by M0J0
You could always try. I have an Auto sensor here, but apparently, the SR20DE and GA16DE auto sensors are almost, if not completely the same. And this sensor didn't fit the manual transmission in my SR20DE NX.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, since the gear is centered on the auto sensor and offset for manual they're not interchangeable... I dunno why they didn't just make them the same lol but that won't change

Originally Posted by M0J0
You could ask them to make a picture of the sensor that is mentioned there. Sometimes, pre-generated pics get mixed up. We have that on a Dutch parts web site as well (hell, we can even get the valve-cover gasket for the USDM GA16DE (EDM is different)).

I sent em an email. Will post back when/if I get a response.

Originally Posted by M0J0
Unfortunately, the GA16DS (carburetted) has ANOTHER sensor. It looks like an automatic sensor, with a centered axle, but with the length of a regular GA16DE sensor (auto sensor is smaller). Haven't found a solution there. Maybe devise a way to lengthen the axle? Anyone ever disassembled a speed sensor? There's a little pin in the housing, dunno what that accpmplishes, when removed...

EDIT: I'd say go for it, get that cheap sensor. I checked Beck Arnley, and they list 2 different part codes, auto and manual, but the use the same picture. If it's the wrong one, yuo could always ask your money back.


Yeah if I don't get a response in a couple days I might just order it anyway lol

Edit: ehhh it says it cross references with the 91-92 SE-R sensor, I dunno if that's right since wasn't the SE-R sensor an 8hz one...?
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2010-08-04 05:40:46
#80
Checked Autozone and B/A again, and the sensor for the 91-92 Sentra looks the same as the one from the NX from those years.

Though the cars from 91-92 should be equipped with a mechanical speed sensor...
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