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Thread: How to build a 300 WHP/Liter SR (on the cheap?) discussion.

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2008-09-16 21:07:39
#111
Originally Posted by BenFenner
If just the head can be had (don't know the current state of VE importing practices) then I believe that would work as the only thing I'm interested in is the head/valve train. Speaking of, I forgot to add valve springs and an N1 cam to the list... I assume oil pump flow between DET and VE is the same or not a deal breaker..


You can get one here on the forum every now and again for ~$700-800. I concur on the springs and retainers, but I think the N1 cams will be too much, the stock cams will get you where you want.

Originally Posted by BenFenner
You know what happened with the injectors? I got stuck in 6 cylinder world (I moonlight as a turbo BMW enthusiast). Damn it all. I'll fix the injector size too. From what I've heard the Walbro 255 should be fine up to 500 WHP or even higher. I've had one doing 414 WHP on E85. Either way, a Bosche 044 could be in order...


As do I, my brother has a turbo BMW. Based on a BSFC of 0.45-.055 I think you will need at least a set of 1000cc injectors. As for the Walbro, I personally would not trust it that high. If you do decide to use it, I would recommend re-wiring with a dedicated relay so it can keep up.

Originally Posted by BenFenner
Thanks for the encouragement. I'd like to say again that I don't plan on making this leap until I at least finish my first. I'm sort of trying to find out how much I'll have to set aside for this project. =]


No prob, I saw a VE-T car dyno low 500's on 90 octane this past weekend, with nearly everything that has been listed in this thread so far.
2008-09-16 21:15:44
#112
Originally Posted by BenFenner
$600 Light/strong pistons

http://www.mazworx.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2709

Originally Posted by BenFenner
$800 Light/strong rods w/ 19mm bearing

http://www.mazworx.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2784

Originally Posted by BenFenner
$400 Stiff valve springs

http://www.mazworx.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2703

Originally Posted by BenFenner
$500 A'pexi headgasket

http://www.cimotorsports.net/motor-sport-products/apexi-head-gasket-nissan-sr20det.html
2008-09-16 21:19:44
#113
^^ I wonder who it was!

Ben, IIRC the N1 springs with alow you to rev to 9k. if not BC and I think Supertech(sp?) makes a set.
2008-09-16 21:26:35
#114
Originally Posted by Keo
^^ I wonder who it was!


You know I'm in Jamaica right? I'll give you a hint though, remember that fully built block I sold/sent down here.....
2008-09-16 21:30:29
#115
Originally Posted by Naghebe
You know I'm in Jamaica right? I'll give you a hint though, remember that fully built block I sold/sent down here.....


kinda figured it was him, if it wasn't Paul but I know Paul wouldn't have finished his car this quick !
2008-09-16 21:52:10
#116
You could just skip the whole car part if all you want to do is make 300hp/liter. Build up the engine and take it to an engine dyno. No drivetrain loss.

If you need to put it in a car though I'd probably pick the RWD block. This way you can put it into a 240. Transmissions on those are better then on the FWD Nissans.
2008-09-16 22:27:34
#117
Originally Posted by TrackJunky82
You could just skip the whole car part if all you want to do is make 300hp/liter. Build up the engine and take it to an engine dyno. No drivetrain loss.
I appreciate the idea, but this is 300 WHP/Liter.

Originally Posted by TrackJunky82
If you need to put it in a car though I'd probably pick the RWD block. This way you can put it into a 240. Transmissions on those are better then on the FWD Nissans.
It was a RWD design to begin with. As far as I know the only difficult parts to deal with as far as FWD vs. RWD goes is the coolant oultlets. But aren't these on the head? So unless you can find a RWD VE head one would have to deal with a bunch of crap regardless.
Also, I wouldn't go through the trouble of building a motor just to put it in an S chassis. No offense.
2008-09-16 22:34:41
#118
Added crank scraper, oil pan baffle, ARP rod bolts and some items linkafied.

$1400 SR16VE long block (1999 or newer for 8 counterweight crank)
$525 Light/strong pistons with OEM rings
$830 Light/strong rods with OEM GTi-R 19mm bearing
$200 ARP rod bolts
$342 Stiff valve springs to rev to over 9,000!
$220 A'pexi headgasket
$300 Strong headstuds (brand?)
$350 Crank scraper and oil pan baffle
$300 Fuel rail (DIY)
$350 1,000cc injectors
$350 Bosch 044 fuel pump

Subtotal: $8,167


$600 Intake manifold (DIY)
$600 Exhaust manifold (DIY)
$300 Holset HX-35 (used)
$300 Exhaust
$100 Intercooler
$100 Charge pipes

Subtotal: $2,000


$400 6 puck clutch kit
$250 RWD transmission

Subtotal: $650


$2,300 AEM Universal EMS
$280 Innovate Wideband controller

Subtotal: $2,580


Total: $10,397
2008-09-17 00:52:45
#119
Originally Posted by BenFenner
So O2 induction manifold or make one using the O2 unit as a good example to copy/improve upon. Check.

Exhaust manifold I'm thinking would be best to make as well. Here's were I believe we can have a lot of fun. I'm sure split pulse is on everyone's mind and is a absolute if you ask me. With a power goal of 480 WHP a GT3076 could be in order, but I'm having trouble thinking of one that is split pulse. Anyone? The Holset HX35 is split pulse I believe, and flows a bit more I believe, more like a GT35. This is also an option, and keeps costs quite low (don't give me any diesel turbo exhaust temp BS). Then there's the twin turbo idea. At first when I was thinking 600 WHP from a 2 liter it seemed almost obvious to go with twin T28 turbos. Now that we're down to 1.6 liters and 480 WHP the twin idea isn't so obvious. Dual T25s could be used, it's just a matter of boost onset threshold and how complete of a dyno queen this engine is going to be. Would spooling two T25s on this engine take much longer than a single GT30 or GT35, or maybe sooner? I've got no direct experience here except with a split pulse GT35 on a 2.5 liter engine. I've heard of a very similar thing done on a Dodge engine, but that was a 2.5 as well. So, am I smoking crack with this idea, or is it super bad-ass?


Wait, so you act like i am not reading the whole post when i say the goal is 480 hp, then you say yourself you are gonna use the 1.6 and shoot for 480 hp.

Well anyway, what are you looking at for compression with the 16ve? I am just asking because you were saying you wanted to stay with pump gas. Also if you are using the sr16, will this bolt up to any rwd tranys without the cost of custom fitment?

I would say if you want to make the power cheaply just start with a det bottom end, lets just say gtir: Get some je or cp 9:1 pistons, get the stock rods gone over(balanced, shot peened etc.) use arp rod bolts, or just get eagle rods and be done with it. new nissan bearings and thats about it for the bottom end. Bolt on a sr20ve head with some upgraded s&r, and some mild port work, figure out which cams suit your rev needs, sr16,vet or n1's. Arp or like headstuds, and a cosworth hg. For a turbo i would look at something that isnt gonna need 30psi to make 480whp. Remember pump gas and very high boost levels dont mix very well. You could use a sc61 or a gt35r Or look into some of the gt series turbo that the dsm guys are making good power with.

Or you could always go with what miko said and use a stroker kit of some sort to make more hp at a lower boost level.

Oh you may want to add some sort of suspension, brakes and a diff, that is unless you wanna die the first time you get to drive it. I dont think the 10+year old 240 stuff will hold up very well.

Just my .02
2008-09-17 01:42:45
#120
You might be able to find some place like this on our side of the pond for the intake manifold stuff
http://www.rossmachineracing.com/intakepartspage.html

The AJ4 has some good pics of his manifold you might want to check out if you haven't already http://www.sr20-forum.com/showthread.php?t=603
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