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Thread: Low Stumbling/hunting idle thread (Auxilary Bypass Valve). Was Coolant Temp thread.

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2008-08-06 14:11:46
#21
Cause the air is unmetered and acts like a vacuum leak.

If the Air Regular is not closing and staying open or partially open, you have extra unmetered air going into the intake (usually high idle & stumble). If stuck closed or partially closed, you have hard start as not enough air at startup.
2008-08-06 15:50:41
#22
just to wrap things up.. bought it on the dealership... $70 dlls... it's yet to come from japan cos they didn't have any... i'll let you guys know when i install it....
2008-08-10 00:52:16
#23
Originally Posted by SkyShepherd
Pretty White,

I had similar symptoms, hard cold start, dive bombing idle unless the accelerator was depressed, lasted for about the first minute to ninety seconds after startup. What fixed it was replacing the Air Regulator with a known good unit. The assembly works like this: There is a bi-metalic strip in there, which has a tab on the end which actuates a rotating shutter assembly. When it is cold, the shutter is opened about 1/8" or so, allowing bypass air to enter the intake, and thus accounting for the combination of cold engine/closed TB. As the engine runs during warmup, battery voltage is applied to the bi-metalic strip, heating it up and bending it and thus moving the aforementioned actuating tab that then closes the shutter gradually over the course of 60-90 seconds. After verifying the non-operation condition is not a simple electrical disconnection, operation of this assembly can be checked by removing it from the underside of the intake plenum, and looking through the air passages; you should see at least 1/8" of daylight through it when cold. If it is warm out (and as a double check), chuck it into the freezer for a bit to chill it out, and recheck; no daylight, no worky. It may need cleaning/adjustment. The other part of the diagnostic is after establishing that it is open, apply 12V to the leads to see if you can get it to close (again, takes about 60-90 seconds). If it closes off, you are in business.

It is a bear to get to (on the high port, anyway). Crappy job, but I believe this will resolve your issue.

Let us know how you fare with it!

Darrin


OK, I hate this forum and this car for forcing me to do things I don't want to do. But here goes....
1)The contact was green on Terminal A
2)With the ignition ON, the voltage jumps to 10.36V then goes to O after like 5 seconds. (Terminal A and Ground)


3)I adjusted the TPS. .46 closed, 4.26 WOT

4)Checked the Ohms on the ohms on Terminal B and it is 0.00 @20K on the ohms setting.
5)The Air Regulator is testing at 71.1 ohms at the 20K setting on the ohm meter.
How do these parameters look?
I had to clean out the regulator with MAF spray cleaner and use a small flathead screwdriver to get the bi-metal strip to open. I opened it a few times to get the spring to loosen up

I put 12V to it and it closed up just like it is supposed to.
Reinstalled everything and started it up, it stumbled but did not die. Then when it warmed up it raced to 1500 for a while. When I disconnected the TPS to adjust the idle it came back down, I DID NOT adjust the idle because it adjusted itself.
Here are the pics.







Bi-Metal strip open after cleaning.


Under the car:



2008-08-10 01:24:19
#24
what socket size should i useto get the CTS out? i think it's a 3/4" but i need a long one.. only got a short one and i cant clear the plug... damn it's tight like a 15 year old in there
2008-08-10 01:28:42
#25
I used 2 3/4 extensions with a 10mm socket.
2008-08-10 14:43:26
#26
Yep. The Air Regulator is a royal PITA to access. My terminals looked like yours with the green stuff. Cleaned up and making the bi-metal operation go well will allow metered air during cold starts.. If your idle increases when cold at startup, thats a good thing!! It means the Air Regulator is working and normal idle should return in 90 seconds after start (time it takes the Air Regulator to close).

While under there, check around for other problems: (on high port engines)
- The oil pressure sensor is just below the Air Regulator. Its terminal will also corrode (plastic outside casing will crack too) & leak oil.
- Throttle coolant hoses is just above the Air Regulator (under the intake mani). These 2 hoses are only like 6-8 inches long. Check both hoses at the ends for coolant leaks. Check both hoses for cracks and hose hardness. I had one burst and it emptied all of the system coolant in 10 seconds.
- Lastly is the knock sensor located up high above the air regulator. If you havent changed it ever, this would be a good time to change it. Single bolt holds it on and care is required during reinstall to avoid overtighten which cracks the new unit.

All of these are in tight uncomfortable places but once in there for one failure, you might as well at least check the others for problems.
Just my .02
2008-08-10 15:13:03
#27
i've got a similar problem where if i cold start my car, the idle will rev wildly from like 300 to 1200 for about 30 seconds, then eventually settle down...i think my air regulator could be the cause of it.
2008-08-10 15:50:27
#28
Testing result FSM validations

Originally Posted by Pretty
OK, I hate this forum and this car for forcing me to do things I don't want to do. But here goes....

1)The contact was green on Terminal A
Terminals cleaned on Air Regulator and harness plug. Yours is good.
FYI, I used the magical electrical grease to keep the green stuff from returning. (Amazing stuff)

2)With the ignition ON, the voltage jumps to 10.36V then goes to O after like 5 seconds. (Terminal A and Ground)
Voltage test is correct.
With ignition ON but not started, you will get power for only 5 seconds.
With car started & running, Air Regulator will get power for the full 90 seconds.

3)I adjusted the TPS. .46 closed, 4.26 WOT
It should be between 0.45 and 0.55V closed, yours voltage looks fine.
It should be 4.0v exactly at WOT. Recommend Adjusting the throttle butterfly stop screw to bring it to 4v exactly.

4)Checked the Ohms on the ohms on Terminal B and it is 0.00 @20K on the ohms setting.
Your testing was incomplete. I would retest as follows:
Test resistance between Terminals A & B
Test using the Throttle position from Closed to WOT with ignition ON (car not running)
-- Completely released (closed throttle) - Approx 2 ohm
-- Partially released (will increase as throttle is opened) - 2 - 11 ohm
-- Completely depressed (WOT) - Approx 11 ohm

5)The Air Regulator is testing at 71.1 ohms at the 20K setting on the ohm meter.
Check Air Regulator resistance across both terminals: Resistance should be approximately 70-80 ohms. Yours is good.

How do these parameters look?
The Air Regulator tests looks great.
As for the TPS: Your voltage looks fine but your Ohms test is suspect (which is the unit internal circuit failure test)
I would Redo the TPS Ohm test to validate that your TPS is good.

I put 12V to it and it closed up just like it is supposed to.
Just make sure that it closed up Completely (leaks will affect idle).


Note: Ohm testing validates the units internal circuit and voltage testing determines the existance of power thru the circuit.
2008-08-10 16:40:25
#29
There was a thread out there somewhere on how to properly rebuild this thing with pictures, but I can't find it. If anyone finds it post it up here. I'm subscribing as I need to rebuild my AAC valve.
2008-08-10 20:37:01
#30
Scotty, I am on my cell in the supermarket so I cannot quote. The second ohm test is not the TPS, thats the B terminal on bypass valve harness. LOL! I should have been more clear. I let the car sit and it tried to stall, but it caught itself and idled good after that. After I used a small flathead to open and close the strip while spraying it out, I put 12V to it and it closed like an eclipse. Problem is that it did not re-open by itself. I am suspecting the valve is faulty or sticking.
What do you think?
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