Burned on eBay!
So. My car, "Maria" is inspired by the legendary VZ-R, which had the seats from the R33 with an orange suede interior scheme. My plans were to do the same, using 2969 Alcantara and Vauxhall Corsa VXR Recaro seats. The seats tend to be advertised for around £700 or just a hair over $1k depending on the rate that day. I have seen the same seats advertised for months as they don't actually seem to sell for that. Well on 4 Jan I found a guy "breaking" (parting out) a Corsa VXR, which although is technically against eBay rules, its a done thing and is rarely enforced, mostly because people are decent human-f*ckin-beings... Mostly...
On 4 Jan I replied to this ebay item, CORSA VXR BREAKING | eBay I asked him through eBay how much he wanted for the seats. He replied £450 and he would ship them. Me, I thought wow ok this dude doesn't know what he has, but then thought, maybe he just needed the cash now and didn't feel like waiting for months like all the others on eBay.
I did my due diligence by asking him to email me pics. He included his email in the message and I emailed him through my hotmail. He then sent me pictures of the seats. However I noticed that the fourth picture he sent me was the same as some other dudes listing. I prompted him about it and he said he sent it by accident. I spoke to a friend of mine about it and he rationalized it by saying that maybe he had it saved to see what prices others were going for in similar condition or something.
Now the whole time I am communicating with this guy its only a few minutes before I get a reply. He said that since he was sending it through PayPal I would be protected if anything went wrong. Biting off on that even though my "spiddy-senses" told me otherwise, I have not heard from him since. I also do not have any seats.
I have reported him to the West Midlands Police, PayPal, ActionFraud Police UK and reported the items he had for sale on eBay.
After some digging I found that the pics on a previous listing of his were ripped from a gumtree.com (like craigslist) listing a month ago in London. I have three emails addresses for him. I googled them all and I found a post from what I think is his wife, who also is named on the PayPal account, and she is complaining about the prison doctors not taking care of him.
I had my wife inquire about a part for the VXR and he replied, so he is alive and kicking. I even bid on two of his other items, just for him to cancel them early. All his feedback is falsified as the only two people that bid on his items, minus myself, happen to only bid on his items. This also has been reported to eBay.
Back to the PayPal; This guy has done this before, he didn't send it as an invoice, he sent it as a request, therefore I am not covered by PayPal...
Below I will paste the email traffic up to the last email from him as well as the receipt, the email addresses and his eBay username.
What pisses me off the most about all this is that I knew better, it felt wrong, but I did it anyway. Let my mistake be a lesson the rest of you can learn the easy way. This is the second time this year (12 months anyway) that I have been burned on eBay, the last one was the "rebuilt" motor and if you have read my build thread than you know how that went.
I have tried my best to find this guy but all the methods I know and have worked in the past for me are not bearing any fruit.
I will keep you all posted as to what, if anything happens with this. The other bummer is that I can't just ask for more hours at work to make up for this and its a major setback as this car has to be done in June at the latest before I move.
Anyway, stay safe, stay smart, if something doesn't feel right, its aint worth it. I tried saving a few hundred dollars and its going to end up costing me twice as much.
Email Addresses; [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]; [email]hindley22@hotmail.co.uk[/email]; [email]carolannpaige@hotmail.com[/email]
eBay username; mortonkane94
PayPal registered name; Gemma Hindley
[email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Can you confirm address please
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 07:06 pm, "M. W." wrote:
Any word?
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:31:25 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Ok I will check again
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 06:30 pm, "M. W." wrote:
Should be in soon,
Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 7VF54410G2051670F)
Transaction Details
Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 7VF54410G2051670F)
Original Transaction
Date Type Status Details Amount
Jan 5, 2015 Payment For gemma hindley Completed ... -£450.00 GBP
Related Transactions
Date Type Status Details Amount
Jan 5, 2015 Add Funds from a Bank Account Completed
Your transfer from your bank account to your PayPal account is complete.
Your transfer from your bank account to your PayPal account is complete.
Details $293.73 USD
Jan 5, 2015 Currency Conversion Completed Details -$710.33 USD
Jan 5, 2015 Currency Conversion Completed Details £452.25 GBP
Sent to:
gemma hindley (The recipient of this payment is Non-U.S. - Verified)
Email:
[email]hindley22@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Payment amount:
(in currency funded)
-$710.33 USD
Your fees:
-£2.25 GBP
Your total charge:
-£452.25 GBP
Payment amount:
-£450.00 GBP
gemma hindley's fees:
£0.00 GBP
gemma hindley receives:
£450.00 GBP
Conversion from:
-$710.33 USD
Conversion to:
£452.25 GBP
Exchange rate:
1 U.S. Dollar = 0.6366 British Pounds
Date:
Jan 5, 2015
Time:
10:26:05 PST
Status:
Completed
Funds will be available to your recipient on or before:
Sorry, this information currently is unavailable.
Subject:
You have sent £450.00 GBP to gemma hindley with PayPal
Funding Type:
PayPal Balance and Instant Transfer
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:28:04 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Nothing showing up fella
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 06:27 pm, "M. W." wrote:
Got it done!
Cheers!
Sent by my Awesome Phone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 17:48, "Best Parts" wrote:
Done
Confirm when you have it please
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 05:43 pm, "M. W." wrote:
Ah it's [email]kornhead37@yahoo.com[/email]
Sorry I had to pick up the wife.
Sent by my Awesome Phone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 17:06, "Best Parts" wrote:
Sorry it was [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email] right?
I have sent invoice
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 04:52 pm, "M. W." wrote:
Ok cool, sorry if I come off flaky but Ive been burned before by a breaker on eBay. Send it on over please.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:47:46 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
As I said fella didn't mean to send that photo - we are going with PayPal payment so your all covered fella if there is any problems
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 04:46 pm, "M. W." wrote:
Hi,
Sorry it was a crazy day at work catching up from before Christmas. Anyway, do you have a good number I can call? I am going to be honest, I am a bit hesitant because the fourth picture you sent me is the same picture as another VXR listing that is on eBay, but that is under a different name and miles away from you.
Thanks,
Matthew
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:39:44 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Hello buddy
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 07:23 pm, "M. W." wrote:
It was the fourth picture in the email that you sent.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:22:42 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
What photo was that bud? Maybe I sent the wrong the photos
Did you get the other photos I sent also?
Sent from my iPhone
Think it was the wrong photo I fort it was just three I sent anyways
Do you want the invoice sent now?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 07:23 pm, "M. W." wrote:
It was the fourth picture in the email that you sent.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:22:42 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
What photo was that bud? Maybe I sent the wrong the photos
Did you get the other photos I sent also?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 07:21 pm, "M. W." wrote:
Yes please. Quick question what on picture 4 is it the same picture as another car liter on eBay? I was just wondering thanks!
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:19:08 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Oh right not sure what happen then fella
Do you want me to resent it now?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 07:18 pm, "M. W." wrote:
Yes I actually didn't get it. I got the notice on my phone but when I tried to open it didn't show in the summery.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:16:59 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
It's showing you have cancel the invoice fella? Do you still want the items?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 01:04 am, "M. W." wrote:
Its still not showing up in my PayPal summary plus I have to wait until the banks open on Monday.
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 01:02:28 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
When you making payment fella
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 01:02 am, "M. W." wrote:
Sweet thanks!
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 00:55:38 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Sent
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 12:51 am, "M. W." wrote:
Its [email]kornhead37@yahoo.com[/email]
I will need to wait until Monday when the banks open to pay.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 00:50:23 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
PayPal invoice is great fella
What's your email?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 12:49 am, "M. W." wrote:
Awesome thanks!
Will you list them separately or can you send me a PayPal invoice?
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 00:38:23 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
They are in mint condition fella
As you can see he used the word invoice and I was doing half of it on my phone. I clearly knew better, trust yourselves, no one else, lol.
On 4 Jan I replied to this ebay item, CORSA VXR BREAKING | eBay I asked him through eBay how much he wanted for the seats. He replied £450 and he would ship them. Me, I thought wow ok this dude doesn't know what he has, but then thought, maybe he just needed the cash now and didn't feel like waiting for months like all the others on eBay.
I did my due diligence by asking him to email me pics. He included his email in the message and I emailed him through my hotmail. He then sent me pictures of the seats. However I noticed that the fourth picture he sent me was the same as some other dudes listing. I prompted him about it and he said he sent it by accident. I spoke to a friend of mine about it and he rationalized it by saying that maybe he had it saved to see what prices others were going for in similar condition or something.
Now the whole time I am communicating with this guy its only a few minutes before I get a reply. He said that since he was sending it through PayPal I would be protected if anything went wrong. Biting off on that even though my "spiddy-senses" told me otherwise, I have not heard from him since. I also do not have any seats.
I have reported him to the West Midlands Police, PayPal, ActionFraud Police UK and reported the items he had for sale on eBay.
After some digging I found that the pics on a previous listing of his were ripped from a gumtree.com (like craigslist) listing a month ago in London. I have three emails addresses for him. I googled them all and I found a post from what I think is his wife, who also is named on the PayPal account, and she is complaining about the prison doctors not taking care of him.
I had my wife inquire about a part for the VXR and he replied, so he is alive and kicking. I even bid on two of his other items, just for him to cancel them early. All his feedback is falsified as the only two people that bid on his items, minus myself, happen to only bid on his items. This also has been reported to eBay.
Back to the PayPal; This guy has done this before, he didn't send it as an invoice, he sent it as a request, therefore I am not covered by PayPal...
Below I will paste the email traffic up to the last email from him as well as the receipt, the email addresses and his eBay username.
What pisses me off the most about all this is that I knew better, it felt wrong, but I did it anyway. Let my mistake be a lesson the rest of you can learn the easy way. This is the second time this year (12 months anyway) that I have been burned on eBay, the last one was the "rebuilt" motor and if you have read my build thread than you know how that went.
I have tried my best to find this guy but all the methods I know and have worked in the past for me are not bearing any fruit.
I will keep you all posted as to what, if anything happens with this. The other bummer is that I can't just ask for more hours at work to make up for this and its a major setback as this car has to be done in June at the latest before I move.
Anyway, stay safe, stay smart, if something doesn't feel right, its aint worth it. I tried saving a few hundred dollars and its going to end up costing me twice as much.
Email Addresses; [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]; [email]hindley22@hotmail.co.uk[/email]; [email]carolannpaige@hotmail.com[/email]
eBay username; mortonkane94
PayPal registered name; Gemma Hindley
[email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Can you confirm address please
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 07:06 pm, "M. W."
Any word?
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:31:25 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Ok I will check again
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 06:30 pm, "M. W."
Should be in soon,
Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 7VF54410G2051670F)
Transaction Details
Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 7VF54410G2051670F)
Original Transaction
Date Type Status Details Amount
Jan 5, 2015 Payment For gemma hindley Completed ... -£450.00 GBP
Related Transactions
Date Type Status Details Amount
Jan 5, 2015 Add Funds from a Bank Account Completed
Your transfer from your bank account to your PayPal account is complete.
Your transfer from your bank account to your PayPal account is complete.
Details $293.73 USD
Jan 5, 2015 Currency Conversion Completed Details -$710.33 USD
Jan 5, 2015 Currency Conversion Completed Details £452.25 GBP
Sent to:
gemma hindley (The recipient of this payment is Non-U.S. - Verified)
Email:
[email]hindley22@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Payment amount:
(in currency funded)
-$710.33 USD
Your fees:
-£2.25 GBP
Your total charge:
-£452.25 GBP
Payment amount:
-£450.00 GBP
gemma hindley's fees:
£0.00 GBP
gemma hindley receives:
£450.00 GBP
Conversion from:
-$710.33 USD
Conversion to:
£452.25 GBP
Exchange rate:
1 U.S. Dollar = 0.6366 British Pounds
Date:
Jan 5, 2015
Time:
10:26:05 PST
Status:
Completed
Funds will be available to your recipient on or before:
Sorry, this information currently is unavailable.
Subject:
You have sent £450.00 GBP to gemma hindley with PayPal
Funding Type:
PayPal Balance and Instant Transfer
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:28:04 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Nothing showing up fella
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 06:27 pm, "M. W."
Got it done!
Cheers!
Sent by my Awesome Phone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 17:48, "Best Parts"
Done
Confirm when you have it please
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 05:43 pm, "M. W."
Ah it's [email]kornhead37@yahoo.com[/email]
Sorry I had to pick up the wife.
Sent by my Awesome Phone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 17:06, "Best Parts"
Sorry it was [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email] right?
I have sent invoice
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 04:52 pm, "M. W."
Ok cool, sorry if I come off flaky but Ive been burned before by a breaker on eBay. Send it on over please.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:47:46 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
As I said fella didn't mean to send that photo - we are going with PayPal payment so your all covered fella if there is any problems
Sent from my iPhone
On 5 Jan 2015, at 04:46 pm, "M. W."
Hi,
Sorry it was a crazy day at work catching up from before Christmas. Anyway, do you have a good number I can call? I am going to be honest, I am a bit hesitant because the fourth picture you sent me is the same picture as another VXR listing that is on eBay, but that is under a different name and miles away from you.
Thanks,
Matthew
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:39:44 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Hello buddy
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 07:23 pm, "M. W."
It was the fourth picture in the email that you sent.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:22:42 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
What photo was that bud? Maybe I sent the wrong the photos
Did you get the other photos I sent also?
Sent from my iPhone
Think it was the wrong photo I fort it was just three I sent anyways
Do you want the invoice sent now?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 07:23 pm, "M. W."
It was the fourth picture in the email that you sent.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:22:42 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
What photo was that bud? Maybe I sent the wrong the photos
Did you get the other photos I sent also?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 07:21 pm, "M. W."
Yes please. Quick question what on picture 4 is it the same picture as another car liter on eBay? I was just wondering thanks!
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:19:08 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Oh right not sure what happen then fella
Do you want me to resent it now?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 07:18 pm, "M. W."
Yes I actually didn't get it. I got the notice on my phone but when I tried to open it didn't show in the summery.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 19:16:59 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
It's showing you have cancel the invoice fella? Do you still want the items?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 01:04 am, "M. W."
Its still not showing up in my PayPal summary plus I have to wait until the banks open on Monday.
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 01:02:28 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
When you making payment fella
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 01:02 am, "M. W."
Sweet thanks!
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 00:55:38 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
Sent
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 12:51 am, "M. W."
Its [email]kornhead37@yahoo.com[/email]
I will need to wait until Monday when the banks open to pay.
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 00:50:23 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
PayPal invoice is great fella
What's your email?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jan 2015, at 12:49 am, "M. W."
Awesome thanks!
Will you list them separately or can you send me a PayPal invoice?
Cheers
Subject: Re: VXR Seats
From: [email]bestparts11@outlook.com[/email]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 00:38:23 +0000
To: [email]kornhead37@hotmail.co.uk[/email]
They are in mint condition fella
As you can see he used the word invoice and I was doing half of it on my phone. I clearly knew better, trust yourselves, no one else, lol.
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