Thread: det vs vvl

That is very true, but it was only a turd while NA boosted it was fun enough. And I had no problems cranking up the fuel and boost so no gas sipping horse crap :-P



That will actually depend on your turbo and manifold. The other week I was tempted to drop some S4's into the DET with a T25, after doing some old forum searches it came down to, you need dial out some of the overlap (S4's have 28* of overlap) with cam gears on a small turbo like that. VE cams have 48*, 20 more degrees of overlap so much more sensitive to restrictive setups (T28 included).

Once I got VET cams with 13* of overlap it did get better, but I didn't like the 16VE small low lobes (low torque) and then when big lobes would kick on it would just spin the tires. I didn't like the setup on the street, just like I didn't like the DET with a disco (12 psi) on street on my B15. Second gear is where I live powerband wise so need traction there .

my argument is not crap dude. maybe you'd like a pie chart of turbo owners who have busted third . you have to spend $$$ to get a ve to 150kw atw, which is where a 32a will start to hurt. what's that in a det? 8-10 pounds of boost and no mods?

:nevreness: lol!!!!!!!!

I like this thread.

In an effort to avoid sounding like a dick, this question has to many variables to be able to reply with a resaobaly ballanced answer. No power goals listed, no idea of vehicle useage (street car, drag car, autocross) and most importantly, tuning options, and MONEY. in my opinion, a properly boosted de will always be best, as its the affordable, simple solution in these cars. b13 to me automatically means budget fun car. Or insanely dedicated enthusiast. most turbo vvl builds require the money that a cheap, beater evo 8 goes for these days, so id have to say casually, uh, stock with what youve got. to do a proper vvl build, WORTH doing it, as in, in a manner that will make it faster than a boost de/det, you MUST strengthen the bottom end. they arnt going to sustain the abuse a de/det will. 4cw crank vs 8cw crank, weaker pistons, bla bla bla. for the vvl to breath, you will need a equal length tubular manifold with AT LEAST a t3 flanged turbo. then tuning. youll have to find the desirable rpm band for vvl activation, which means.....dyno time, and a good damn tuneable ecu. a decent build like this will cost 4-5 grand, estimated. IF your nott cutting corners, and when we take ito consideration, a stock de, with a avenir maniold, and a gt3071r will put down 400 hp reliably, for like.....i dunno, half of that, to make that investment worth a flying fuck, you cant cut corners. now, i know i know. there are all sorts of arguements, ect. but this is reality, we rock these cars cause their cheap. vvl is cool if you want to slap that in a hondas face. but if you want to go fast, just keep the stock damn det, with a good turbo, and save your money. vvl and boost is EXPENSIVE done right. and boost doesnt break stuff people...it just finds the weak links in your build faster.

lol at not reading properly.....my bad. either way, still think vvl is a waste of money. if you want all motor and dopeness, go with a 3.5. THOSE are nasty.

so much for thinking budget when you think b13...

and horsepoop on having to build a ve for boost you slap a turbo on the stock bottom end tune the shit out of it maybe throw in e85 or meth kit (can be had cheap) and your living in the fast life.

vvl and boost is not expensive.

vadim give me your same exact setup you had on your det turbo and manifold wise and i will get more out of it on a ve on the same boost levels

hell i will get a log manifold throw an ebay turbo on the bitch with the 1000cc injectors and will come damn near close to 400hp on a stock ve and show you how cheap it can be done

All things being equal (driver, suspension, tires) a bolt-on VE beats a DET in auto-crossing, too much lag coming out of the corners.

That's of course if auto-xing is your thing or not.

I'm not disagreeing VE wont make more power at same boost levels as a DE, I'm just saying it's not worth the cost compared to boosting your stock DE. It all depends on your power goals. Anything between 200-250whp/wtq it's lots cheaper to stay DE/DET. For 300-350 whp it starts making more sense on going VE, but I still feel like you can easily obtain those with a proper turbo (that you would need to buy for VE anyway).



This one depends on the car, P11 was still a turd autocrossing NA VE. It was one loud turd that people where curious on wtf it was. I practically had to live in first gear since 2nd was too out of power band. Then again our courses are generally not too high speed.

Oh those poor P11's no respect