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bmexicang yes the tensioner was engaged, the issue i was having is that i was setting the timing marks but the slack was staying inbetween the cam gears, so i put a socket on the intake cam and rotated counterclockwise to move the slack to the tensioner side
the rockers moved side to side with the cams and old tensioner in. it was like literally 1mm of side to side movement 2 rockers on the intake side and 1 on the exhaust side
Was there that much slack when you initially popped the valve cover? The tensioner should take that up. If you still have that much slack after rotating the motor clockwise (by hand), your tensioner is shot or not engaged.
With the cams out, the rockers will move that much. They just float on top of the guide/shim/top of the HLA. With the cams in, it should be a lot harder to move them, if at all. If the HLA's are still solid, I'd get a feeler gauge and check the lash clearence. With that many miles, the rockers could be at the end of their life. The lobes on the cams are probably semi worn, as well.