Thread: Dont buy fake SH|T ( Good article ) Mike Kojima's site.

Don't Buy Fake Shit! - A Close Look at a Fake

Coming from some of the best, This is a good read and why I will not support the crap thats flooded ebay in the last few years.




My friend runs a small company [url]www.z10eng.com[/url] and we see it all the time and it really does hurt the real manufacture's that put in time and effort. At SEMA this year there was a chinese knockoff company that clearly had a turbosmart wastegate copy and they were right next to the real deal.

Megan Racing, Godspeed, BLOX, etc etc all fake companies.

i like my parts just like i like my boobies.... real.

i agree..the more you support the fake companys..the more they do it and more fake companys pop up..if you cant put out your own products without copying them you shouldnt be in business

+eleventy billion

For every one of us who buys the real deal there are 100 that buy the knockoff. It is very sad and one of the reasons that China is developing so quickly, for better or worse. No business ethics or consideration for anything but helping themselves.

This Christmas season was a real eye opener for me. So much is made in Chain...it is sick. Almost everything in every big box store; Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, etc....is made in China. We are screwed.

i am a hypocrit, as I have an SSAC header.. but i got it used if that's any consolation, and hotshot is gonzo..

While I totally agree that we should put in the effort to support local companies that did the R&D I also believe that the real stuff is very overpriced. I understand they are trying to make up for the R&D into the product and soo on but I mean $250 bucks for a Tial Q bov, just seems really really rediculous and again thats not the only product. If they would be more competitive with their prices they would sell more quanity. I know materials to make those bov's are nowhere near that amount.

There are a lot of products that I plain out wont use knockoffs, Turbos, wastegates, engine internals, suspension, clutches, flywheels, wheels, and gauges.

Seen way too many problems and nightmares from knockoffs of the items listed above. Blox control arms breaking in half on hondas causing wrecks, blox suspension falling apart, turbos blowing apart compressor housings, turbine housings, wheels, shafts, wastegates failing, gauges that dont read anywhere near properly and or break within a couple days, flywheels shattering, clutches not holding or breaking, wheels breaking (rotas), and the list goes on. However parts I will and have used knockoffs with great success, Tial knockof 50mm bov (awesome bov for the money, held 35+ lbs of boost without leaking and blows off properly, Turbo XS RFL knockoff bov, great bov that functions properly without problems, Intercooler piping and fmic. You really cant mess these up and when you have greddy or any other name brand selling the same intercooler made out of the same materials with the same weld qualities for 4-5X the price and no performance to gain one from another, well thats where i have a problem. And you cant tell me that really any R&D goes into making a universal intercooler. Hell even factory replacement upgrade intercoolers like the SRT4 one that I bought take much more than getting some measurements and making the thing. So why the hefty pricetag. Your paying for a name at that point and again really no performance gain from a Greddy intercooler vs a knockoff. Its a pretty simple concept.

There are certain knockoff bov's i wont use because they are crap, such as the greddy type s knockoffs. So far ive had many friends use them and have yet to see one function properly, not leak, and not sound right. Most switched to the real thing and wow, what do you know, night and day difference. Same goes with the HKS SSQ knockoff. They are crap, yet to see one work without issues. All the other greddy type rs, type r and so on, same crap, dont work.

Again some things i just cant justify spending 4-5X the price on to have almost the same quality and performace out of it.

In all reality of things the knockoff companies are what have kept this hobby alive in this time and economy to an extent. Good US companies that make great products that perform and are reasonably priced wont have a problem selling their stuff.

I still buy name brand items for most of my stuff, id say 99% of my build now is all name brand US bought items. But ive never been one for knockoffs either exept for the intercooler, piping, bov, and one turbo manifold that I used.

Agreed 100% Ashton ( intercoolers, headers, etc ) you can get away with it. And some things are overpriced.. They should battle with more innovative parts just not overpricing everything. So I hear ya I have a cheapie intercooler which works flawless. Other parts I would never touch.

Keep selling over priced shit and people will buy low cost shit.

Lets make a few things clear.

Hotshot header = over priced shit

SSAC header much better than Hotshot header.

Hot Shot mild steel vs SSAC Stainless steel
Hot Shot crack vs SSAC which does not crack
Hot Shot $450 vs SSAC $100
Hot Shot 1 header vs SSAC 4 headers


You see people can go out there and find things to pick on but there is alot of high priced stuff that should be high quality that is crap.

I can pick on a lot of stuff just like Mike K can find arguments for the propaganda machine.


You want intercoolers to make big WHP 90% of the ebay intercoolers will not and the quality is not there, but at the same time they will support good WHP for the average 400-600 WHP car.

That being said I would not put anything but a Spearco, Precision or Bell Tech intercooler on my car. There intercoolers are 3 times as much but the quality and core density is there.

If you supply quality and a good price people will buy, but when you push overpriced shit on people they will go the other way. Its that fucking simple.