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2011-03-07 14:40:57
#31
Originally Posted by JTstyle
you wanna go with the 17956 for the 4.0cyl and above because the spring is stiffer and won't open as quickly, they also say it last's a lil longer because of the siffness. I have the 17156 on my P11 and it's fine but I would have went with the other if I knew about it at the time.


^I'll look into it.
Last edited by MR-4Door-SR20DET on 2011-03-07 at 20-54-25.
2011-03-07 15:14:02
#32
Which one for turbo 3"?

Brent
2011-03-07 15:19:05
#33
I've been told the fluttering, buzzing noise on the under 4.0L model was fixed. If that is the case, then the under 4.0L model should be used for N/A but the over 4.0L model should still be used for turbo.

Basically, do you make more power than a stock 4.0L Jeep engine? If yes, and most of our mild turbo builds do, then get the over 4.0L model.
2011-03-07 15:47:33
#34
Originally Posted by coach
Which one for turbo 3"?

Brent


Dynomax Performance Exhaust | Mufflers | Dynomax VT Muffler

^Link here.

Part# 17949 for 3" center with offset to the right look.

Part# 17962 for 3" center to center look.

Originally Posted by BenFenner
I've been told the fluttering, buzzing noise on the under 4.0L model was fixed. If that is the case, then the under 4.0L model should be used for N/A but the over 4.0L model should still be used for turbo.

Basically, do you make more power than a stock 4.0L Jeep engine? If yes, and most of our mild turbo builds do, then get the over 4.0L model.


^So you think the over 4.0L model will/would hold back power on fully bolted stock ve at WOT?
2011-03-07 16:23:49
#35
I'd be worried the valve wouldn't open soon enough, causing the loss of some mid range power (and low range) on an N/A engine. I can't say for sure one way or the other though, since I've not tested them.

Basically the valves open at a certain HP level (air flow volume). I'd guess the under 4.0L muffler probably opens somewhere between 100 and 200 WHP. The over 4.0L valve probably opens somewhere between 175-275 WHP.
2011-03-07 18:23:11
#36
- Hmmmm, I'm going to go ahead and call one of their techs like the other guy suggested.
2011-03-07 18:25:40
#37
Originally Posted by BenFenner
I'd be worried the valve wouldn't open soon enough, causing the loss of some mid range power (and low range) on an N/A engine. I can't say for sure one way or the other though, since I've not tested them.

Basically the valves open at a certain HP level (air flow volume). I'd guess the under 4.0L muffler probably opens somewhere between 100 and 200 WHP. The over 4.0L valve probably opens somewhere between 175-275 WHP.


so the valve opens based on the ammount of air volume that the engine is exhausting, is this correct? theres no mechanical parts but more or less just the air pushing and opening the valve?
2011-03-07 18:30:14
#38
I'm worried too about exhaust restriction on a turbo at low RPMs. Do you think this would have any negative effect?
The NA engines may like some back pressure, but I always thought that with any turbo the least restriction the better.
2011-03-07 20:13:07
#39
Originally Posted by GT2871RBLUBIRD
so the valve opens based on the ammount of air volume that the engine is exhausting, is this correct? theres no mechanical parts but more or less just the air pushing and opening the valve?
Correct. The valve is sort of like a flapper valve. The outgoing air pushes it open. The spring in each model holds it closed. The mufflers meant for higher horse power engines have stronger springs holding the flapper closed.

Originally Posted by NI
I'm worried too about exhaust restriction on a turbo at low RPMs. Do you think this would have any negative effect?
While the valve is closed or partially open you'll see quite a bit of back pressure which will harm performance. To what degree, is open for debate.

Originally Posted by NI
The NA engines may like some back pressure, but I always thought that with any turbo the least restriction the better.
N/A engines do not like back pressure ever. The back pressure is detrimental to both N/A and turbo engines alike.
Last edited by BenFenner on 2011-03-07 at 21-51-07.
2011-03-07 20:36:48
#40
Originally Posted by BenFenner
I'd be worried the valve wouldn't open soon enough, causing the loss of some mid range power (and low range) on an N/A engine. I can't say for sure one way or the other though, since I've not tested them.

Basically the valves open at a certain HP level (air flow volume). I'd guess the under 4.0L muffler probably opens somewhere between 100 and 200 WHP. The over 4.0L valve probably opens somewhere between 175-275 WHP.


^Just got off the phone with a tech, I hope he is right. He says I would be better off with the 4.0L and under muffler. He said that the 4.0L and over would not open on a car making 190whp. I just gave him a ball park average of a fully bolted stock VE. Looks like I'll be getting the part# 17156.
Originally Posted by BenFenner
I've been told the fluttering, buzzing noise on the under 4.0L model was fixed. If that is the case, then the under 4.0L model should be used for N/A but the over 4.0L model should still be used for turbo.

Basically, do you make more power than a stock 4.0L Jeep engine? If yes, and most of our mild turbo builds do, then get the over 4.0L model.


^I hope you are right and they fixed the design. Where did you read/hear this? I asked about air flow volume results and he said they don't have them yet. Makes me wonder how he would know that about the 4.0L and above muffler.
Last edited by MR-4Door-SR20DET on 2011-03-07 at 20-52-47.
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