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2010-09-17 18:33:11
#21
Ive resurfaced one before as long as the machinist puts a step on it with the center being raised, it will be fine.
2010-09-17 19:35:20
#22
Originally Posted by unijabnx2000
Ive resurfaced one before as long as the machinist puts a step on it with the center being raised, it will be fine.


You are not getting the point. Yes you can resurface a flywheel....you are actually supposed to do it everytime you put a new clutch in.

But in the original posters case the flywheel has been damaged from excessive heat. The metal has been deformed/warped and it will never be the same. If you resurface that flywheel it will most likely slightly warp/deform again after it gets hot. All it takes is a couple hundreths of and inch and it is ruined.

Not to stray too much off topic but I feel the same thing happens to most engine/drivetrain parts once they get too hot. For example...I feel that once an engine excessively overheats it will never be the same. It doesn't matter if you mill the head/block, put in a new headgasket, etc. Once an engine has stayed at the hot mark for a even a short amount of time things get messed up..metal gets weak, etc. Like I said...all it takes is a couple hundreths of an inch...especially when you are dealing with the head mating surface.
2010-09-17 19:59:41
#23
i agree i wouldnt try to resurface the flywheel or if you do resurface i would definitly be weary of it. flywheels are expensive but replacing clutches after being glazed over is expensive too.
2010-09-17 20:26:56
#24
Originally Posted by BenFenner
Yep, that's what I'm thinking as well. Everything else are red herrings.

Other than faulty production, the high spots could have formed because clutch material was being transferred to the flywheel and pressure plate surfaces (similar to when brake pad material transfers to rotors) due to localized hot spots maybe caused by a clutch cable that was too tight (causes low engagement too) effectively reducing the clamping force of the pressure plate allowing the disc to spin somewhat freely during normal driving.

Edit: Oh I see you have a hydraulic clutch... Well, something happened to cause all that heat. Not enough clamping pressure under normal driving conditions or somehow the clutch wasn't fully disengaging between shifts. I'm not real good with hydraulic clutch systems as I've never dealt with on directly.


It was odd, in first and second gear it would seem like the wheels would be spinning but didnt sound like wheel spin. It was more like the sound of brakes being applied. So I thought the clutch may be slipping so I did the 25mph in 5th gear test and it was fine. Could the clutch let go becuase there was too much TQ too fast?

Regardless replaced the clutch and flywheel and now my imput bearing is making noise. Parting out the turbo stuff and selling the car. Sick of shit breaking as soon as you fix something else. Subie time!
2010-09-17 20:50:02
#25
Originally Posted by hobbs
It was odd, in first and second gear it would seem like the wheels would be spinning but didnt sound like wheel spin. It was more like the sound of brakes being applied.
The sound is weird, but the other symptoms sound like clutch slipping. Did it smell like clutch/brakes?

Originally Posted by hobbs
So I thought the clutch may be slipping so I did the 25mph in 5th gear test and it was fine.
Weird.... Did you ever reach 5,000+ rpm? Probably not... That's where you'll have the most problems with clutch slipping, because torque peak is around there. Maybe had you done the test in 3rd or 4th and been at 5,000 - 5,500 rpm you'd have found the slippage.

Originally Posted by hobbs
Could the clutch let go becuase there was too much TQ too fast?
No. Too much torque too fast makes no sense. Too much torque, yes... But not too fast. Like I said, had you tested in 3rd (and had traction) at 5,000 rpm you'd probably have found the slippage.

Originally Posted by hobbs
Regardless replaced the clutch and flywheel and now my imput bearing is making noise. Parting out the turbo stuff and selling the car. Sick of shit breaking as soon as you fix something else. Subie time!
Damn man... Well. Good luck.
2010-09-17 21:20:03
#26
And for reference, if brake rotors are warped, you can indeed turn the warpage out, if there is enough material left to begin with. Both the armada and wrx have had warped rotors that were turned by me, and are now fine.

The key is to resurface/scuff all mating parts, IE flywheel, pressure plate, and disc.
2010-09-17 21:20:30
#27
Oh, and the wear looks like a defective pressure plate.
2010-09-17 21:56:59
#28
Originally Posted by Cliff
And for reference, if brake rotors are warped, you can indeed turn the warpage out, if there is enough material left to begin with. Both the armada and wrx have had warped rotors that were turned by me, and are now fine.

The key is to resurface/scuff all mating parts, IE flywheel, pressure plate, and disc.
Cliff, read the link in post #20. If you've overheated the rotors and this caused pad material transfer, you're likely to experience that for the life of the rotor no matter how well you resurface it because the metal composition and heat resistance has changed causing the problem to continue to happen over and over again.

If you believe Stop Tech's findings.
2010-09-17 22:08:11
#29
Originally Posted by Cliff
Oh, and the wear looks like a defective pressure plate.


I don't think that's the issue though.

Warped pressure plate would show hotspots on high areas
Warped disk would show hotspots all the way around both the pressure plate and flywheel
Warped flywheel would show hotspots on the high areas.

I find it unlikley that the pressure plate and flywheel were warped in the same exact spots considering the flywheel was resurfaced and the pressure plate was brand new from JWT. Unless the clutch disk would flex each time it was engaged?
2010-09-17 22:17:01
#30
Ben, personal experience. Haven't had any issues since, in the months following turning my rotors on the vehicles. Absolutely zero.

Hobbs, just giving my opinion. It's what it looks like to me, is all.
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