Thread: Bolt on HP upper limits?

What cams are you using? Nice numbers. Just to clarify, that's a VE, right?

Which is about 180WHP?

You can have a pretty nice kit off of the for sale section. Lots of people always selling stuff. Also gas mileage will only go down if your going in to boost all the time. Maintenance, yeah you got a good one there. Possibility of it blowing up, just keep it at a safe PSI with a tune and it'll be just as reliable as not having one.

its a DE
http://www.sr20-forum.com/all-motor/29602-fully-bolt-uk-de-dyno-d.html

I think I need to ride in a couple of different cars to see what I like. FWD turbo cars freak me out, they never seem to work right, they are complicated and expensive. Bolt on DE might not make enough power. I want to ride in a VE'd B13...I think that might be what I want. The sweet spot.

You don't need a VE or even cams on a DE to run 14.5. I ran a 14.5 with a DE with I/H/E, 91 intake cam, G20 ECU and UR pulleys on street tires. With some S4 cams you can run low 14's on street tires.

Yeah i did 14.3 on street tires with a pretty much full interior 91 w/ sunroof b13 with a short ram intake, 1st gen SSAC header, 2 1/4" exhaust w/ gutted cat, Jun ultralightweight flywheel, 2 piece UR pullies, and JWT S3 cams, timing set at 19*. Only weight reduction was no a/c in the bay and no spare tire and jack.

14.3@97mph.

I wouldnt doubt with a full bolt on DE motor with some S5 cams or even C2 or C3 cams and good header, exhaust, flywheel, pullies, fine tuned ecu, could pull off high 13 second pass or faster on street tires and maybe low low 13's on slicks. Any good amount of weight reduction might get you into the 12's. The fact is nobody does this anymore and bothers with the DE motor because VE motors are soo cheap and come with more hp than a fully bolt on DE can ever put out without building.

But it is possible.

I toataly agree with this .....



there are plenty of great daily drivers owned by people on here that are turbo ...just look around



The DE was the main reason alot of us started tunning these cars , it has tons of potental ...I think that DE+t is a great way to go , if done right it will be plenty relible , heck this motor was designed as a turbo motor from the begining .....

I was thinking about S4's for my latest DE but I guess if you can pick up a VE for $750?? then it would not be smart to spend anymore money on the DE. I'm thinking about a VE too for my 97 but my DE with 166K still runs so damn good its really hard to give up on it.

oh heck yeah, My buddies nx had a t25 on a jdm motor for over 2 years and tons of miles without a hitch running up to 12psi, BTW his is full interior besides a/c in the bay gone and he took my 2080 lb b13 with a bolt on VE in it from 4th gear on. 2nd and 3rd we were dead even but that turbo torque just took over in 4th gear and pulled away slowly. That was on 9psi of boost.

Now he has a t28 on there at 10psi and it would be all over for a stock ve no matter what and even with n1 cams and more it would take it even in my 2080 lb car. And his setup was done for less than $1000 total including ecu, injectors, turbo, manifold, oil line, boost gauge, fmic and piping and used clutch.

So for the same price as a ve swap you could boost a de and make it quicker very very fun to drive.

Im a turbo guy and tried to give all motor a chance again with a ve and it just wasnt the same. Dont get me wrong it would have gone in the low 13's on DR's and possibly high 12's on slicks but it was just not the same as turbo or as much fun in my opinion.

But yes, the DE was our original love of moding these cars. Its still a very capable motor that can kick some Honda butt with very simple modifications.