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Thread: 10% ethanol fuel - how has it affected your vehicle?

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2010-02-25 15:58:38
#11
Originally Posted by Rob
Ethanol in the gas changes your fuel economy because alcohol has fewer btu than gasoline. The more alcohol that is introduced to the gas the worse the economy. Cars that get 30 MPG on straight gasoline get something like 16 on E85, so the lesser price is offset by the higher consumption.

The other effects that you may not have seen yet are the damage that the ethanol enhanced gasoline causes in you fuel system. When "oxygenated fuels" were first introduced in the late '80's for pollution control reasons most of the cars on the road were carbureted and did not have neoprene in their fuel lines. It caused a great deal of problems until the rubber hose industry seemed to change their formulation slightly. Currently the fuel hoses etc. are able to deal with the alcohol in the gas. The thing that is deteriorating so slowly that you don't know it is the plastic fuel tank in your car. After a few years of using gas containing alcohol you will see a sediment, almost like sand in your fuel filter if you take it apart. It is actually a very fine sand that is used in the manufacture of those plastic tanks and it is imbedded in the plastic. The alcohol eats away at the plastic and the sand gets stuck in the fuel filter.


Picking apart your post a bit... There are no long term effects to running E10 or E85 in vehicles manufactured after 1990. Fuel tanks and lines, grommets, etc. are all manufactured to specification to withstand methanol's chemical makeup.

There has been a lot of recent discussion regarding the use of E10 or E85 in stock fuel systems, and there are no known side effects on newer cars after E10 was introduced into the alternative fuel market.

This is why we see many vehicles on the road now that are "flexfuel capable". The only difference between a flexfuel capable vehicle and a NON-Flexfuel capable vehicle is the ECM programming. From what I've read, Flexfuel capable vehicles contain map switching in the ECM in that when the mixture's burn is changed via o2 sensor, the map is then changed.

This is just what I've read and it may operate much differently, but I do know for fact that E10/E85 does NOT damage fuel delivery components as once believed in a fuel injected vehicle manufactured after 1990.
2010-02-25 18:11:45
#12
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I know that is what has been said. I also know what I have personally witnessed. Probably no sense in us tryiing to change each others minds.
2010-02-25 18:29:25
#13
My original SE-R saw most of its life in NY. E10 has been present in NY for a while now. The car was fine with it. Maybe it had a drop in mileage. I never really knew the difference since I did not drive the Se-R before 2002.
2010-02-25 22:21:29
#14
I was running a 50/50 fill of e85 and e10 93 octane in my turbo SE-R when I'd go to the track or the drag races in the summertime. The fuel mileage only fell off about 15% or so compared to straight e10 93 octane, no big deal.
2010-02-26 20:53:52
#15
One of the other reasons you get worse mileage with E85 is that you burn a lot more fuel running it. You can make more power with it but you have to push more fuel through the system. That's why it costs so much to convert cuz you have to upgrade your fuel system.


This is likely why E10 creates a drop in mileage. It's likely due to the excessive amount of fuel recquired to burn the way the ECU is programed for.
2010-02-26 21:16:55
#16
Since it doesn't burn as hot, you have to use more of it to get the same effect.
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