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2009-09-17 15:28:57
#11
My point was that operating temps shouldn't vary by more than 10°F while the car is moving. If they do, something is wrong with the coolant system, or it is overly stressed by additional modifications. The coolant system is designed in stock form to keep temps within a very small window, and it does this well.

Vadim, you're asking about whether or not 212°F is an adequate temperature to have the radiator fans turn on? I wasn't aware of when they come on for a stock car. If it's as high as 212°F I can say I wouldn't do it that way, but there are other reasons they might do that. Also, there should be a speed component to that. You'd hope the fans wouldn't come on unless the car was traveling less than 10 mph or so. Why might Nissan have the fans turn on so late?
They might feel that having the radiator fans turn on creates so much noise for the passenger and those outside the car that they'd rather they never turn on at all. Since this isn't possible, they turn them on at the last moment to provide a ride through the city with relative quite operation without having the fans come on every time they come to a stop light.
Or, they could have done plenty of research and found that most of the time people come to a stop, they will move again shortly after they stop providing air flow that will cool the coolant quick enough so they don't have to turn the fan on.

I do believe having the radiator fans on is considered a last resort by car designers to keep noise levels down.

Personally, I like to see the temps under control more than I worry about noise levels. For that reason, I have my fans come on pretty soon after temps start to climb.
2009-09-17 15:31:28
#12
Originally Posted by robj80
I have a 99 low port G20. Our fans come on at 203° and shut off at 195°.
That sounds a lot more sane.

Originally Posted by robj80
Also guys that went with the 170° thermostat that lived in colder climates caused the SES light to illuminate and I believe caused drivability issues.
That is good information to have. I'm in a warm climate so I have never had to deal with that. Also, again, ODBI cars are going to be a lot different in this department than the OBDII cars. Us driving around the OBDI cars with 170°F thermostats might never realize we're running colder than maybe we should.
2009-09-17 16:41:40
#13
Actually fan speeds vary with AT/MT and your driving style.



Also here is the temps in C* from the stock BIN file.
2009-09-17 17:34:57
#14
I should install my aftermarket gauge again, I just don't like it because it's one of those mechanical ones (ugh). But my fans run constantly (similar to Ben, to be on the safe side) and seeing that Nissan only kicks on LOW fans at 212, I'll bet I'm running very cold! I have high fans on.
2009-09-17 17:37:30
#15
Originally Posted by BenFenner

I do believe having the radiator fans on is considered a last resort by car designers to keep noise levels down.


Toyota must have missed this boat. On both of my Matrix's (last one and current) they fans come on if you sit more than 10 seconds, they stay on for a short time (10-15 seconds) then turn off and repeat.

This is an interesting thread, i will have to see when my fans kick on and off. I have the Nismo Thermostat and the GSpec WP pulley which my car rarely gets over 1/4 on the gauge. I will find out what temp that is, i also do not drive in cold weather.
2009-09-17 17:39:47
#16
Originally Posted by Vadim

Also here is the temps in C* from the stock BIN file.


Your hysteresis should be at 3-5 degrees so they are not constantly kicking on and off. I would think, much like other thermostats.
2009-09-17 17:45:30
#17
Originally Posted by squirlz
Your hysteresis should be at 3-5 degrees so they are not constantly kicking on and off. I would think, much like other thermostats.


What is Hysteresis?

That's the stock BIN file, JDM one has like 3-4.
2009-09-17 17:53:22
#18
Yah, 0 hysteresis is maddening.

An example would best illustrate what it is/does.

With 0 hysteresis, here is how a fan that is set to turn on at 200*F would work.

Temp reading - 196
Temp reading - 197
Temp reading - 198
Temp reading - 199
Temp reading - 200
Turn fan ON
Temp reading - 199
Turn fan OFF
Temp reading - 200
Turn fan ON
Temp reading - 199
Turn fan OFF
Temp reading - 200
Turn fan ON
Temp reading - 199
Turn fan OFF
Temp reading - 200
Turn fan ON
Temp reading - 199
Turn fan OFF
Temp reading - 200
Turn fan ON


Very annoying.


Here is with a hysteresis of 6 degrees.


Temp reading - 196
Temp reading - 197
Temp reading - 198
Temp reading - 199
Temp reading - 200
Turn fan ON
Temp reading - 199
Temp reading - 198
Temp reading - 197
Temp reading - 196
Temp reading - 195
Temp reading - 194
Turn fan OFF
Temp reading - 195
Temp reading - 196
Temp reading - 197
Temp reading - 198
Temp reading - 199
Temp reading - 200
Turn fan ON
Temp reading - 199
Temp reading - 198
Temp reading - 197
Temp reading - 196
Temp reading - 195
Temp reading - 194
Turn fan OFF
Temp reading - 195
Temp reading - 196
Temp reading - 197
Temp reading - 198
Temp reading - 199
Temp reading - 200
Turn fan ON



Much more tolerable. Fans in laptop computers with 0 hysteresis are my nemesis.
2009-09-17 17:56:22
#19
Originally Posted by BenFenner

Much more tolerable. Fans in laptop computers with 0 hysteresis are my nemesis.




I am always surprised at how loud they can be, even though I hear them all the time.
2009-09-17 18:33:29
#20
Thanks for explaining it Ben, that makes perfect sense!

On my current bin I have it at 85* for all, and Hysteresis value of 1. It does cool it down to 185*F and doesn't kick on until I hit 193*F or 200*F.

But I will turn the Hysteresis value up, that way the fan wont have as much
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