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2009-08-12 12:44:25
#71
Originally Posted by HKS
ive tried them all.. they all suck..
but again we are not hondas the more hp we make the close the tq will be in equivilant.


Ding ding ding, That's the thing. I actually would love to get more horsepower while leaving my torque at 250 ft-lbs for the sake of the Clutch, Transmission, Axles, and other drive train equipment.
2009-08-12 13:20:33
#72
Yeah the size of our clutches and what we demand from them out wieghts the performance we can get from them. If that makes sense lol. I have thought about the mods you'd have to do to to get a bigger clutch. I know the old forum has right ups about it. Maybe it should be researched again.
2009-08-12 15:32:10
#73
Originally Posted by Vadim
Ding ding ding, That's the thing. I actually would love to get more horsepower while leaving my torque at 250 ft-lbs for the sake of the Clutch, Transmission, Axles, and other drive train equipment.


what is horsepower hoing to get you? personally coming from the honda scene and while my honda build was nothing like most of the honda guys do. making alot of horsepower but short on the torque is nothing less than pathetic. on some of my first tunes my horsepower and torque were +10 -10 wtq to whp that is well balanced.

i dont think that ''nissan'' guys are choosing the right clutch its not that what we want from the clutch out weighs the ability of the clutch, its that people want one thing but then they also want another....rough clutch engaugement,hard pedal feel,rough on flywheel,rough on transmission they dont want, but they want it to hold 500whp and that just isnt going to happen unless oyu get a twin clutch setup that are over 1300.00

people are choosing clutches that dont suit their needs, they are overesimating the clutch and overpowering it, and thats the way to a broken clutch.

if you like to have alot of power but no torque to actually get you moving, you should hop over to the riceboy honda scene, i have had 4 puck unsprung,clutchmasters fx400,clutchmasters fx300 and never had a issue with flywheel,transmission,axles,any part of the drivetrain, you have to know how to use the clutch and not abuse the clutch. that means how to rev match,how to engauge the clutch, how to drive on it ect. people just upgrade and think its a walk in the park and its just like stock, well its not and thats how you lead to other problems.

if you choose the right clutch for the right power goal you are looking for you shouldnt have any problem with the clutch untill you exceed that power goal that the clutch has the ability to support PERIOD.

^while saying that, you cant take hear say into account well so and so had this clutch and it messed up, yeah it messed up for one reason or another, but unles you know exactly how they drove on it, didnt overpower it, ect its ALL BULL**** its how good companies get a bad rep from people who expect too much out of a product that clearly states 350whp and they push it far beyond its ability its just ignorance, and then they blame the company for a bad product when it was their own fault
2009-08-12 15:55:43
#74
Originally Posted by GT2871RBLUBIRD

^while saying that, you cant take hear say into account well so and so had this clutch and it messed up, yeah it messed up for one reason or another, but unles you know exactly how they drove on it, didnt overpower it, ect its ALL BULL**** its how good companies get a bad rep from people who expect too much out of a product that clearly states 350whp and they push it far beyond its ability its just ignorance, and then they blame the company for a bad product when it was their own fault


are you standing up for ACT?

IF SO..
2009-08-12 15:56:22
#75
Originally Posted by Vadim
Ding ding ding, That's the thing. I actually would love to get more horsepower while leaving my torque at 250 ft-lbs for the sake of the Clutch, Transmission, Axles, and other drive train equipment.


You sir, need a bigger turbo then.

I made only 250~270ftlbs. of torque on the 30r, but made over 400whp. I'm afraid to turn up the boost with the ACT XTPP and 6 puck disc. I am currently talking with Tilton since they are a sponsor of my friends drag car. I would love to get a twin disc clutch for my setup and never have to worry about maxing it out, all while retaining stock pedal feel and engagement.
2009-08-12 15:59:24
#76
Originally Posted by HKS
are you standing up for ACT?

IF SO..



I think YOU need to put it down. You seriously act like you've been on the crack lately. I don't recall you being this loony...

I for one have had ZERO issues with my ACT setup, and I know Jamie has had ZERO issues with his. He's ONLY boosting 22psi on a 35R... A little clutch slip due to the gobs of power he puts down at higher RPM, but other than that it's rock solid.
2009-08-12 16:01:18
#77
the faster the spool the higher the torque. the laggier then the less amount of torque.

basically a t28 maxed out psi wise should make consideribaly more tq then a gt30r would at same psi as maxed t/28


thats cool what u said there about the ACT but theres too many people on here having issues daily with them .. i give it another month or so before someone else has another problem.
2009-08-12 16:03:02
#78
Originally Posted by HKS
the faster the spool the higher the torque. the laggier then the less amount of torque.

basically a t28 maxed out psi wise should make consideribaly more tq then a gt30r would at same psi as maxed t/28


This is understood. Why I told him to go to a larger "laggier" turbo.
2009-08-12 16:09:33
#79
Originally Posted by TeKKiE
This is understood. Why I told him to go to a larger "laggier" turbo.


lagger turbo means more hp less tq right?

more hp means 60% chance your tranny will grenade itself. but hey your clutch will grab. different strokes for different folks i just want the guy that made this topic to see the discussion you and i are having an to think about it.. logically.. i get you but i seriously wouldnt go that route.. wouldnt be cost effective. thats me..
2009-08-12 16:17:14
#80
Originally Posted by HKS
lagger turbo means more hp less tq right?

more hp means 60% chance your tranny will grenade itself. but hey your clutch will grab. different strokes for different folks i just want the guy that made this topic to see the discussion you and i are having an to think about it.. logically.. i get you but i seriously wouldnt go that route.. wouldnt be cost effective. thats me..


Seriously? I'd like to see some unbiased data to back up your claim of 60% higher chance of grenading a tranny. Remember, all clutches are rated on grip vs. torque load, not on HP. The TORQUE is what grenades drivetrain components, not HP.

In all honesty, I don't understand why people don't just go to unsprung discs. Sure the chatter would be more than with a sprung disc, but like ANYTHING, less moving parts to worry about defects. It'll teach you how to drive a 5spd properly, too.
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