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2008-08-02 15:21:45
Even more build woes...
So I got everything put back together last night, and tried to start her this morning...

Here's what happened...

I pulled the timing cover (DET), because it was cracked at the top left, allowing oil to dump itself out.

I decided to buy a VE timing cover/oil pump from Greg V. When I purchased it, Greg told me that I have to use the spacer from the DE, if I'm using the DE crank pulley, so I swapped it over.

Now, I needed a GTiR pick up tube, because I kept the VE oil pump cover installed. Got that in, and installed it.

Went forward and put everything back together.

Now, priming the system yields 0 PSI of pressure. I wasn't really paying attention at first, and cranked her over to run for a second. She actually started the first time WOOHOO! But I noticed something nasty sounding, so shut her off. Call another guru and double check oil pressure with him on the line, by starting the car back up, and I've got no oil pressure

I'm hoping that all bearing surfaces are still okay, being that I didn't give it much time to run, but I know that it doesn't take much, either.

So my question:

The DE spacer doesn't seem to fit snuggly in the VE pump housing, meaning that it's not as thick as the VE spacer. My fear is that it actually fell off of the pump and is spinning freely.

Is this possible? If it's not possible, then I need to look at the oil pick up tube or something again.

Please help me out! I need her running so I can get her inspected and registered. The wife is driving me nuts because she needs her car back.

2008-08-02 15:30:29
I would not think it could / would fall off ....hmmm
2008-08-02 15:47:27
I'm assuming these are the spacers that everyone refers to. I don't see anything else that resembles what people mention.

On the left is the VE spacer, and on the right is the DET spacer. The DE spacer is shorter than the DET spacer.

Please tell me I'm not wrong here thinking these are spacers. I'd HATE HATE HATE to have to pull everything apart again
2008-08-02 15:48:06
Holy crap sorry for the awful pictures. Took them using the crackberry
2008-08-02 15:53:56
man your **** never ends
2008-08-02 16:29:25
Those are the actual pump drives, not the spacers. The spacers look like this.

The spacers drive the oil pump gears and space the pulleys out a certain amount. You will need the shorter one I believe.

Now, if you used assembly lube in the motor you should be fine with running it for a few seconds and not have any problems, but if you used oil then you may wanna take the pan off and check. If it was for a very short time I am sure you are ok. I ran my car with NO oil in it for about 50 miles before it did anything lol. And those were hard miles.
2008-08-02 16:48:48
Sonnofabeetch! I knew something didn't look right, but I was almost certain that the drive was the actual spacer that everyone referred to. I'm using the DET spacer on the car right now.

How easy is it to pull off the crank? I've got a DE spacer from the DE crank sitting on the garage floor. Or would I be okay with the DET spacer?

Guess this means I yet AGAIN have to pull the pans and timing cover off

Thanks coheed, you're a life saver. I was getting to the point to where I was about to post a FS thread.
2008-08-03 22:00:54
the spacer in question only determines the crank pulley depth and the external diameter is the same if you use the wrong one you will ither cush the oil pump causing engine to lock or the belt will squeak like jer760 s car.

if you did not prime the new oil pump it will not suck oil up the pick up tube at idle if you rev it up to 2k for a sec and still no press then you gota tear it down and ck the mains and rods for damage and make shure you
prime the pump with assemblly lube

all you have to do is push some in the oil pump pickup tube flange and turn the pump buy hand it thakes several times but you will eventuall fill it up. or you can pull pump cover off of the timing cover and pack pump full.

if you have a spacer in there and a crank key way then somthing else is wrong.

if there is no crank key way then oil pump will not turn there are two keys one for the oil pump and one for the main pulley.
2008-08-04 00:10:58
Thanks for the tip, but I'm pretty sure I know exactly what is wrong. The drive gear on the DE oil pump is less than half as thick as the VE drive gear. This means that there's more than enough play to allow it to lose contact with the other pump gear, and thus no oil pressure.
2008-08-04 00:34:22
I though you knew the difference in a gear and spacer
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