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2012-03-09 15:03:44
#11
Originally Posted by b00stinG20t
interesting so now im concerned because i only want to run my car on 10lbs maybe one in a blue moon up it but from the most part that's what ill be dailying it on i just bought a tial 38mm and im running a gt30 so would that set up cause any kind problems like boost creeps. also running hallman mbc


Why bother going with a big laggy turbo like the 6262 for only 10psi? I ran a a 76trim turbo (Precision 5431E journaled bearing) and at 12 psi it was still pointless. It would take for ever to build to 12psi, but then when I cranked the the boost to close to 20psi, after 12 psi it would just drop to 20. Because the bigger turbo is meant to be ran at a higher psi.

I am now going to be running a GT3076, which is still way too large for 12 psi, but I got it from Coheed to help him pay off his 6262
2012-03-09 15:59:27
#12
Originally Posted by cortrim1
Your right until you run the setup you will not know. I did not see the creep until I was on the dyno. that being said you can get around boost creep by dropping in a lower pressure spring and using a boost controller to raise the pressure.
Have you ever seen this work in practice? I didn't think this would work. I would think even if you kept the gate fully open all the time you'd still creep to the same boost level?

(I might even be in the position to test it sometime soon...)
2012-03-09 16:16:36
#13
Originally Posted by BenFenner
It is tough to say. Every setup is a bit different. 10 psi on a GT30 is pretty low. You may have some issues getting down that low with a 38mm gate. I would do some more research on that combo and boost level and see what you find others experiences to be with similar engine/turbo/wastegate combos.


On my 38mm Tial, I had no problems even keep it at even 5psi on VE with log, though I was on low cams until 6k rpm and had a 7500 redline,
2012-03-09 16:25:53
#14
waste gate placement
Originally Posted by cortrim1
I have some creep due to the waste gate placement but that only happens at high rpm. If I were to change the waste gate location I would not have any creep at all.


what location of the wastgate would be Ideal..im going with the Pro-tec Eql mani..any pics or examples?
2012-03-09 16:32:01
#15
Good wastegate placement means the angle of the exhaust leaving the main collector is not a 90 degree angle or worse. You want more of a "Y" shape if possible. That can be really hard to come by on our FWD setups. 90 degrees seems to be about standard. I've seen worse.
Also, making sure the wastegate pipe can draw from all 4 runners is first and foremost. Some manifolds, especially log styles fail in this area as well.

Here is a wastegate preference manifold:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/Mr_Deagle993/img1230505591149.jpg

That gives flow preference to the wastegate pipe, and the turbine is secondary concern. That manifold will have great boost control. The wastegate draws from all 4 exhaust runners (most important) and it also leaves the main pipe at a shallow angle.

Here is an example of bad placement. It only draws from one exhaust runner (lol), and it is a 90 degree angle:
http://beesandgoats.com/boostfaq/drag_manifold.jpg
2012-03-09 16:32:58
#16
Originally Posted by klassickrican
what location of the wastgate would be Ideal..im going with the Pro-tec Eql mani..any pics or examples?


Where all 4 cylinder runners meet. Protech has a pretty good location.

2012-03-09 16:56:39
#17
this what im looking to purchase
thanks Ben,Vadim

this is the pro-tec mani im looking to get
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or this
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Last edited by klassickrican on 2012-03-09 at 17-00-52.
2012-03-09 17:30:11
#18
let protech handle where they put the wastegate no need for you to worry about it and i would go with a 44mm if i was getting a manifold made
2012-03-09 18:42:33
#19
yeah a 6262 will definitely creep on a 38mm gate. I know my 60 trim garrett t3 would creep from wastegate pressure of 14.7 to roughly 20psi by 8k on a 38mm gate to give you an idea and on a tubular manifold as well. My t67 would creep to about 23 lbs by 8500 on the same 38mm gate. I wasnt concerned as I could run 20 psi on pump gas with no issues so that was basicly my low boost.

Generally you want to use as small of a gate for the boost level and power you want to run on low boost. If your low boost is 25 lbs then a 38mm gate should be fine. If not, 44 or larger.
2012-03-09 19:34:02
#20
Originally Posted by BenFenner
Have you ever seen this work in practice? I didn't think this would work. I would think even if you kept the gate fully open all the time you'd still creep to the same boost level?

(I might even be in the position to test it sometime soon...)


Depends on the setup. If the setup just suffers from poor design it should work with the aem ems or the avcr. Even done this way you still may have some creep. If you are over running the gate your just screwed. I guess I will find out with mine.
Last edited by cortrim1 on 2012-03-10 at 00-05-58.
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