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2011-08-19 18:32:16
#271
Nothing wrong with a basic/realtime ecu. I love my AEM ems, its far easier and quicker to tune than the calum and other realitimes out there. The calum ecus is a pain to sit there and have to change two maps for each change and then reload. It makes tuning a lot longer process than realtime tuning that happens up to date with every change. No loading or anything necessary. By far more options.

I was making roughly 530-550whp on my Calum Basic that i went through and made some slight changes to on the tune but thats about it. That power on 30 psi was enough to get me through the 1/8th mile traps on a bad run at 108mph well on the way to a 140 or so trap speed. I was running out of ignition from the factory stock stuff and also my fuel system was almost at its limits. So during all these expensive upgrades I decided to go standalone, COP with CDI box to ensure a spark every time and big fuel system. The EMS is nice and on my personal car I dont think anything else really would suffice. Could cheaper setups have been done and a basic or realtime board have been used. Yes but they would still have been a pain and still looking at running into issues. At least with the AEM they are less worrysome as you can see exactly whats happening during tuning right there in front of you.
2011-08-19 18:56:50
#272
AEM is pointless with advent of Tunercode; Basic OR realtime.

Matter of fact, it's stupid to go with anything beyond a Basic unless you're changing shit with your setup every day (a la Ashton).

It's whatever though.
2011-08-19 19:13:58
#273
Originally Posted by Vadim
You can make a ton of power with a Calum ecu without TunerCode even. Since to make power, like you said, all you need to modify is fuel and timing tables. It's when you try to get good daily driving is where you will start having issues.

TunerCode lets you modify just about all aspects of the OEM ECU. Thus you can make the car run like it's bone stock when you are outside of your power range. You can control every fuel enrichment table, so that you can conserve on gas. Since a lot of tables are relative values, when you double your injectors in size, you will be throwing twice as much fuel based on those tables, thus you need to tune them down.

For most people though, that's not a problem. I am very particular with my tune, and want that OEM drive-ability and reliability when I'm not beating on the car.



Alot of people do not know Nistune has been around for years and allows you to control all aspects in the same ways.

With their wizards, changing MAF's or changing injector size take all of a few clicks. TP/Load scales & K values are adjusted on the fly. Every enrichment table is available for modification.

It makes setting up and tuning very simple unlike having to use TunerPro and the old school ROM editor
2011-08-19 19:18:54
#274
Not really, Tuning on a map sensor is much better than tuning on a maf and no more stupid maf sensor in the system. I know they are still developing being able to do that on a factory ecu but we will see how that goes. Still doesnt have the ability to go COP, change injection phasing change both injection and ignition phasing per cylinder, doesnt have near the failsafes that the AEM has. The datalogging and graphs and the ability to data log soo many parameters is way easier to read and search through than those that Vadim has pictured. Im not saying his are hard to read and understand, the AEM is just much more simple.

Im looking for 750-800whp from my setup when done, reving out to 9500-10000 rpm, T4 large turbine housing setup. The factory ecu even as of right now still cant adjust past a certain point in the rpm range. So that right there is a big negative when doing a setup like mine. Ill be able to data log every parameter, set up knock control, and have the peace of mind with the failsafes that what happened before can this time have a lot better chance of being prevented.

The factory ecu is coming a long ways though, Ill give it that and for simple sub 550whp setups, a basic setup is perfectly fine and thats what I ran for over a year with zero issues when it comes to the motor. My numbers, traps, and just the overall power the car was making is a testemant to that.

But there are not many people in the Honda crowd making 700+whp on a chipped ecu. Im sure its been done but why? Why risk it.
2011-08-19 19:21:35
#275
Originally Posted by TeKKiE
AEM is pointless with advent of Tunercode; Basic OR realtime.
2011-08-19 19:42:24
#276
Originally Posted by SR20GTi-R
Alot of people do not know Nistune has been around for years and allows you to control all aspects in the same ways.

With their wizards, changing MAF's or changing injector size take all of a few clicks. TP/Load scales & K values are adjusted on the fly. Every enrichment table is available for modification.

It makes setting up and tuning very simple unlike having to use TunerPro and the old school ROM editor


Nistune is huge in aus. 90% of nissan's compatibly run it. It does everything a apexi power fc does pretty much, just dont get the hand controller.
2011-08-19 19:47:08
#277
Originally Posted by BenFenner


Lmao! The shocker
2011-08-19 20:00:17
#278
Originally Posted by ashtonsser
Not really, Tuning on a map sensor is much better than tuning on a maf and no more stupid maf sensor in the system. I know they are still developing being able to do that on a factory ecu but we will see how that goes. Still doesnt have the ability to go COP, change injection phasing change both injection and ignition phasing per cylinder, doesnt have near the failsafes that the AEM has. The datalogging and graphs and the ability to data log soo many parameters is way easier to read and search through than those that Vadim has pictured. Im not saying his are hard to read and understand, the AEM is just much more simple.

Im looking for 750-800whp from my setup when done, reving out to 9500-10000 rpm, T4 large turbine housing setup. The factory ecu even as of right now still cant adjust past a certain point in the rpm range. So that right there is a big negative when doing a setup like mine. Ill be able to data log every parameter, set up knock control, and have the peace of mind with the failsafes that what happened before can this time have a lot better chance of being prevented.

The factory ecu is coming a long ways though, Ill give it that and for simple sub 550whp setups, a basic setup is perfectly fine and thats what I ran for over a year with zero issues when it comes to the motor. My numbers, traps, and just the overall power the car was making is a testemant to that.

But there are not many people in the Honda crowd making 700+whp on a chipped ecu. Im sure its been done but why? Why risk it.


The limitations of tuning past 8k was tackled a while back with Tunercode. Tuning past 8k along with setting fuel or spark rev limits above 8k, 2 step launch control were done too.

We can go on and on about the differences all day. I use and own both so I have no bias, but 90% of the forum wont have a need for the AEM.
2011-08-19 20:04:18
#279
If the options we have now were available when I bought my standalone I would have never bought it.

I am on the fence right now and I am debating to go back to a factory ecu with a maf.
2011-08-19 20:07:45
#280
I don't need a stand-alone like I don't need a reach-around.
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