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2011-08-19 08:48:38
#261
Originally Posted by ca18
Have you ever measured the backpressure properly on your set up ith say an egt gauge? might be a worth while investment.


If I can get the EGT gauge from Keo I will be able to measure mine
2011-08-19 10:05:49
#262
Originally Posted by Vadim
If I can get the EGT gauge from Keo I will be able to measure mine


would be a decent idea
2011-08-19 12:39:37
#263
Originally Posted by ca18
Have you ever measured the backpressure properly on your set up ith say an egt gauge? might be a worth while investment.


Yes it would. The backpressure was measured once in a sort of ghetto way. I took the vaccum line from the boost gauge off and put a fitting on the manifold through the EGT port and read boost pressure off of the exhaust. On 1.1bar I was seeing 22-23psi backpressure at around 7000rpm.
2011-08-19 12:45:14
#264
simple enough way to do it. So at 16psi you were seeing 22-23. Thats a ratio of about 1.5:1. Again not good for a larger overlap cam. You will definitely be getting heat back into the cylinders with that kind of backpressure ratio on 20ve cams or any other long overlap cam.

My t3 setups i can almost gurantee you were either under or right at 1:1 ratio. Probably 1:1 at almost redline but under that for most of the powerband which is why i never had problems with reversion and my setups flowed well. Its all a difference in setups.
2011-08-19 13:47:53
#265
Originally Posted by Vadim
I have to keep my eye on the wideband while doing the runs, I can't datalog yet. That's going to change soon with NEMU boards though and NismoTronic.

My number one concern is staying below 12.1, I noticed that the VE pistons are sensitive and knocked at even 12.2 afrs. My AFR's are not 11.1-11.8. Now that I've been playing around with cam switch points.



Thanks for posting here Gio. What PSI where you running before? I'm seeing in your sig you are saying 21 psi. I'm thinking that may be the reason your not having the issues.

As for the tune, I'm trying to run as much timing possible without knocking. Maybe there is some strategy that I'm missing?
21psi was with the 60-1. On the 50trim he ran no more than 16psi iirc.
2011-08-19 16:50:12
#266
Originally Posted by Vadim
With the BKR6E-N's max I could run was .020 gap. Mind you I am side gapping them, the contact is greatly reduced, thus you need to reduce your gap by around .010. So .020, would actually be .030.

As of last Friday I'm running BKR7E's, not even the N's, and I'm able to run .022, I will try .024 later. Maybe the 6E-N's where more sensitive to bigger gap.


I never run anything hotter than BKR7E's on any of the turbo cars i do. I run 8's on my car but could get away with 7's if i wanted to.

For some reason the cars down here make good power with very simple setups. I'm still on a basic board with the Emanage for tuning. I can't imagine how much more i could make with better tuning. I will be using Nismotrinic once the realtime boards come out though.
Last edited by kevwal on 2011-08-19 at 16-56-37.
2011-08-19 17:13:46
#267
Originally Posted by kevwal
I never run anything hotter than BKR7E's on any of the turbo cars i do. I run 8's on my car but could get away with 7's if i wanted to.

For some reason the cars down here make good power with very simple setups. I'm still on a basic board with the Emanage for tuning. I can't imagine how much more i could make with better tuning. I will be using Nismotrinic once the realtime boards come out though.


The basic board/realtime is actually a very good tuning solution.

Outside of litte options they allow, fuel is fuel and timing is timing. There is not much more to be gained power wise.

The only real advantage with a standalone like the AEM is resolution within the maps, being able to go speed density while being able to tune in 1/4 increments vs whole degrees.

A big portion of this forum has not reached the limit of the factory ECU where a standalone is needed. I was very happy last year going through the traps at 130+mph on my basic board that only cost me $100
2011-08-19 17:17:18
#268
V should be slapped about the head with a trout hand. IDK if you're running a damn T25 DE, you shouldn't be running 6E's (no matter how you gap them) on a FI setup. Bad juju.

DON'T sidegap your 7's. Run them straight up and start over with your tune. My DET was happiest with about a .028" gap at 1bar of boost from the 30r.
2011-08-19 17:40:37
#269
Originally Posted by Coheed
running a twin scroll with sr16 cams makes it very hard for reversion to happen, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just isn't cross-cylinder contamination that happens. Exhaust backpressure still hinders my top end power production because as revs go up, so too does the backpressure. I feel like the sr16 cams should pull well into the 8000rpm range with a free-flowing turbo. Mine peaks at 7800rpm and falls sharply from there.

Next, i am going to try some porting on this exhaust housing. Its free, and i think it will help the top end power a bit.


Weird that yours does this with the twin scroll and larger lift cams.

With the SR16 cams, the higher we revved the more power in made until 8500 because of a tuning restriction with the factory ECU, and not having valve reliefs. Power just seemed to flatten at 480HP.

This was with a sigle scroll GT3076R .82 and the GT35R .82 on a ram-horn manifold.
2011-08-19 18:15:37
#270
Originally Posted by SR20GTi-R
The basic board/realtime is actually a very good tuning solution.

Outside of litte options they allow, fuel is fuel and timing is timing. There is not much more to be gained power wise.

The only real advantage with a standalone like the AEM is resolution within the maps, being able to go speed density while being able to tune in 1/4 increments vs whole degrees.

A big portion of this forum has not reached the limit of the factory ECU where a standalone is needed. I was very happy last year going through the traps at 130+mph on my basic board that only cost me $100


You can make a ton of power with a Calum ecu without TunerCode even. Since to make power, like you said, all you need to modify is fuel and timing tables. It's when you try to get good daily driving is where you will start having issues.

TunerCode lets you modify just about all aspects of the OEM ECU. Thus you can make the car run like it's bone stock when you are outside of your power range. You can control every fuel enrichment table, so that you can conserve on gas. Since a lot of tables are relative values, when you double your injectors in size, you will be throwing twice as much fuel based on those tables, thus you need to tune them down.

For most people though, that's not a problem. I am very particular with my tune, and want that OEM drive-ability and reliability when I'm not beating on the car.

Originally Posted by TeKKiE
V should be slapped about the head with a trout hand. IDK if you're running a damn T25 DE, you shouldn't be running 6E's (no matter how you gap them) on a FI setup. Bad juju.

DON'T sidegap your 7's. Run them straight up and start over with your tune. My DET was happiest with about a .028" gap at 1bar of boost from the 30r.


Not the DEEP trout hand, oh please master spare me!

I ran 7E's from my DET when I first got the motor running, then I ran the 6E-N's because VE requires (at least some say it requires -N's). I saw no real difference butt dyno wise or MPG wise.

I've had really good luck with sidegapped plugs, besides 3mpg gains on the highway, on my DET I made 7whp over standard plugs.

.028" gap is .018" gap technically, at least going by the muscle car how side gap guide.
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