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2011-02-01 03:03:54
Just purchased a 2860rs with the .86 exhaust housing.
2011-02-01 03:13:11
Originally Posted by hobbs
Just purchased a 2860rs with the .86 exhaust housing.

Was it used?
2011-02-01 03:15:15
Originally Posted by Re-spect
Was it used?

2011-02-01 03:49:02
I got my GT2871R from that thread, just arrived saturday
2011-02-01 11:55:03
I think for under 400whp the DE and the VVL make about the same power per psi. Once you step up to the larger frame T3, then you start seeing the difference.

If anyone has a VET dyno with a disco I wanna see it.
2011-02-02 04:54:06
How would a tuned ecu such as a JWT know when the cams were activated to switch to maps? Or would you tell JWT when you want to switch and there would only be a single map?
2011-02-02 08:06:29
There is little point to switching maps when switching vvl. The tune is based on airflow so technically the DE map will work on the VVL. But your cold start idle will be ridiculously high. Overall it may perform better minus that drawback. In warm climates not as big of a deal. But 3000-3500rpm on startup when it is cold out just feels overly harsh to the engine.

So to answer your question, there is only one map.
2011-02-02 18:51:45
I heard JWT VE tunes wernt that great considering the DE/DET tunes, anyone have any insight on this?
2011-02-02 19:07:58
They are more conservative. They are obviously tuned off of a very large turbo car. The timing maps are conservative across the board, but that is ok. I just run a 17* advance and the tune is pretty decent. I've thought the tune would be an issue, but when putting in some race gas and bumping the timing i failed to see any increases past 20* advance. When the car was NA this was the same case. 19* base when I was NA provided the best power, then after that the top end dropped.

The VVL will take a pretty large turbo to see its full potential. A few of my friends have larger turbos and they make about 420-460whp with 60-1 turbos on relatively low boost. By low, I mean about 16-22psi. At this altitude that is pretty good. Sea level psi would likely be around 13-19psi for these power levels.

The pink line is me, 22psi GT3076r TS with SR16 cams.
The black line is a 200sx with a 60-1 on a shorty manifold, NISDA standalone, 20psig.
The blue line is Sandy's car, also on a 60-1 with a UQL mani and 16-17psig. NISDA standalone.

You can see that the larger turbos make the same power on 5psi less boost, yet only spool marginally slower than my twin scroll setup. The response on the street is another story, the twin scroll is much more responsive, but power output remains the same as the larger turbos. On the street this engine was pumping 26psig boost which is ~23psi sea level. The dyno wouldn't load the engine enough to get full boost.
2011-02-02 19:14:02
Originally Posted by Snickers
the s14/s15 head is the same as the lo port fwd de head except that it has the vtc cam timing for cam advance. i thought about doing a NA DE build using a rwd vtc head and getting some big cams then use rpmswitch for cam activation.. it is only on/off opperation.

i did a bit of cam testing years ago with big cams and there is a bit of power to be gained in the midrange by advancing the cam timing, then retarding above 7000...

at one point i thought of cutting apart a rwd s14 head and a vvl head and try to make a vtc vvl head...

^Who has tried this over here?

Originally Posted by Will
my stock lowport has never been out of the car and has been on boost for over 5 years. From about 120,000 to 141,000 miles. She purrs like a cat in a tuna factory every time I turn the key.

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