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Thread: a 240SX SR20VE-T from Germany

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2010-06-19 22:55:57
#31
Originally Posted by Dino
>>It needs bigger valves. The Valves on the VE are smaller than the DE.>>

i cannot imagine that this is the reason. If so it would not make good topend power? Or do you have concrete before-after measurements?

Even on 9 psi i made only 290NM (219lbft), but 337NM with my DET on same boost. So there is constantly a torque lack of appr. 18% over the det with same turbo.

I think its the Short runner intake (runners are only 60% of the DET-runner-length). I remember changing the intake manifold of my BMW E36 328i to the earlier model and shorter 325i-manifold. The car felt completely different. It lost 10% torque and gained 5% topendpower.
Problem is that beside mazworx there is nothing on the market, and the mazworx-intake looks very hardcore and nobody nows if it really brings the result i want. DET torque and VE TOPend :-)


aftermarket manifold? Yikes, that could be an issue. See, that's the biggest thing different between the cars is the intake manifold. The VVL will hold more power through the top end, and the head flows better, but if your runners are too small you will lose power everywhere until you hit its sweet spot. That could be 11K rpm for all we know. The turbo won't like running that high lol. What if you could try a different manifold?

I have noticed the diff in torque in the DE and the VE, but when 6000rpm hits the VVL seems to do a lot better.

Exhaust valves are smaller, but it is negligible. The easiest fix is to get the most free-flowing exhaust as possible. The VE really likes big exhaust housings, and open downpipe
2010-06-19 23:05:31
#32
Also, the biggest difference in the VVL tune and the DE, I would have to say, is timing. Here is me adding 1* advance in ignition timing.



You can see there is a huge difference in mid-range torque from only 1* of timing. Worth considering.
2010-06-20 05:26:32
#33
yes coheed, the timing is of course important, thats why i keep on improving the tune with my Power FC. By having an eye on the knock warning i can advance the timing to the knock limit. Especially in the mid-range i am still far waway from the limit, so i should gain some more torque with the tune.

Over the winter i will upgrade to a bigger turbo, probably incl. a exhaust manifold. But first i would like proof that even with a small GT2871 the VE-Concept is better all over the rev range to the DET. THis is still a long way.


Look at the picture of the engine bay, here you can see the short runner intake, the runners only are only 4,5 inch. For comparison the Mazworx device, its runners are 5,7 inch:




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2010-06-20 05:39:29
#34
sorry for big photo size

a very helpful info would be if anybody could tell exactly the stock boost numbers of a xtrail-gt. If this engine makes its 228lbft in the area of 9 to 10psi (like stock s13 / s14 silvias) than that would be the proove that the VE has not a torque weakness!!
2010-06-21 03:50:38
#35
xtrail make 228ft/lb stock! and it makes it real low too, around 2800 from memory. Mind you it does use different cams and the 20v head is a little different.
2010-06-21 03:59:42
#36
Also i am sure the vet would make more than the det stock. Maybe compare the s15 jap spec torque as its the most comparable. Same turbo etc
2010-06-21 04:04:12
#37
ok here they are stock for stock

xtrail vet 206kw @6400 228ft/lb @3200

.9035

(sorry i was wrong on the 2800, 400rpm out. I knew it was low however.

s15 183kw @6400 202ft/lb @4800

.9059
2010-06-21 06:45:08
#38
yeah, the xtrail has nice torque numbers, thats what makes me optimistic that its only a matter of the setup. The VE seems to be a little delicate to find a good setup.
2010-06-21 07:04:27
#39
The Xtrail only kicks the intake cam for the VVL and no exhaust since the rocker arms are normal.
2010-06-21 07:07:21
#40
i know, coheed sold me his VETs

i really would like to know the boost level of a stock xtrail....
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