Thread: Reliable "STI Killer" setups?

Even better,

Let's trade. And yes, I'm serious. As long as yours is paid off. I don't want another car payment.

Not to hard bgreen, I took one out with i/e/cobb with my eclipse (pre-catback) lol

you can put down both times and numbers both consistant to awd if its set up properly.

I think im gonna pick one of those sti's up this week... I like the helicopter sound! IN MY OPINION!!!: I think they are great cars (if they had retractable roofs with parachutes mounted to the seats) for rallying, but other than that just jump them off ramps or send em off cliffs.

Damn where's all these new guys comin' from?!

Hey man, you seem like a well spoken, knowledgeable person. And because of that I figured I'd let you in on my personal experience with torque in a FWD car and how much is too much.

My car makes 237 WTQ and is at or above your magical 200 WTQ number from 4,500 - 7,400 rpm. (Dyno). With cold performance tires in the summer in a straight line I slip a bit at the top of 1st and there is a hint of traction loss at the top of 2nd. From then on it's smooth sailing. Everyone else with around 300 WHP from a turbo SR20 makes much more torque than I do and they all seem to report massive traction problems in 3rd gear in a straight line and only get grip in 4th and 5th. Obviously torque is the issue, but frankly 200 WTQ is not the magic number on these light cars. On a Mazdaspeed 3 it might be. I have no doubts about that, especially with 18" wheels . However we don't over-wheel our cars, and we have weight on our side, so we can get some traction where the Mazda might not.

On the road course my car never even hinted at losing traction in a straight line or around corners. I could plant my foot into the accelerator and the car would accelerate and stick until my bravery ran out or I started a 4 wheel drift. With some heat in the tires I was begging for more torque, more power even on the slowest hairpins.


As for the AWD/RWD/FWD argument, you're not going to find people around here who are too delusional. We know FWD is not ideal for most performance motorsport contest. However you said it wasn't good for any of them.



That's just not true. Front engine cars with FWD are much better at rally racing or ice racing than front engine RWD cars. Anything where traction is severely limited FWD has an advantage. Obviously not over AWD though...


We can all concede that AWD and RWD are superior in almost every performance aspect that counts and given the chance most of us (all of us?) would take a RWD (or AWD) version of our own FWD car over most any car on the planet. However, there are plenty of us with more than 200 WTQ and gobs of us with much, much more than 200 WHP and in doing so most of us are not over-powering our cars. We still have traction. Just because your Mazda didn't doesn't mean we don't. They are two completely different animals.


Don't think we're bashing on the Scooby. We're not. For the most part this forum loves them. We have plenty of members who own them and/or dream of owning one. If you don't want to trade Cliff for his car, I'll trade you for mine!

I will also disagree with this. When I was NA I thought 200 WHP and 200 WTQ would be good enough for a FWD car, and 250whp is the max you want on a street car. This was because a lot of people reported having traction issues above 250whp.

My Ball Bearing T25 did 230whp and 220WTQ. I lost traction in first gear, other gears where fine. I will also say that it's not enough power. It is too much power for our weak transmissions, but a P11/B15 one should fix that.

On my T28, I'm probably doing close to 250 WHP, maybe little less WTQ, and I have no traction issues. You learn to drive around it, know your limitations, work around them and you will be fine.

Solid motor mounts (Prothanes), good suspension, etc. is a must too.

Hopes and dreams......

Ever seen a n old ford truck with 350whp and no truck bed or anything but a fuel cell in the back spin the rear tires to **** and slam into a street pole? I have because the idiot took all the weight off the tires so he had no traction. Atleast the motor over the front tires helps people like me (who have nothing in the car but a driver seat) so I don't slam into a street pole.

I shouldn't have made such a general statement like 200WHP/TQ. You're right, I don't have experience with that much power in a B13/B14. The Speed 3 is way heavier and has unnecessarily huge and heavy wheel tire package. The other FWD cars I've had and driven have all been n/a and less than 170 hp.

Cliff, I'd take your turbo Sentra but no thanks I like the Suby too much. I still have much love for SE-R's which is why I found another one for my DD.